Need Some Advice- Model 640 vs 642

My first post here was on these two firearms. I just got the 642 about a month ago. It is an excellent firearm and the weight is nothing. I've carried Glocks for years now, and they're light as well but nothing compared to the 642 at 15oz.

Having said that, I plan on picking up a 640 this Saturday. It is NIB at $460 with both styles of grips. I'm very happy about this as well. My first off-duty was a .357 and now 20 years later I've come full circle.

In regards to ammo, as I mentioned in my other thread, I've heard really good things on the Speer GD SB loads particularly in .38+P. I believe both the .38 and .357 rounds are 135 grain which should allow either to hit right at or very close to POA as these snubbies are usually best with the heavier bullets i.e. 158 grain.

I understand and appreciate the comments on carrying the lighter high capacity semi-autos. The majority of my career was with a revolver i.e. a S&W 64 .38 Special. Great gun. Then we went to the Beretta 9mm and now we use the Glock 21 .45ACP. All great firearms. My off-duty carry somewhat mirrored this as well in that I started off with revolvers and then went with semi-autos. In my case I really had to for many years as I taught in the Academies and most local agencies either used Beretta or Glock.

These days I don't teach firearms much anymore, at least in an Academy or in-service setting. And I just like the revolver for its simplicity. I've had to draw my sidearm four times now in my 20 years. I've learned that under duress, simple is simply best. That is why I've gone back to revolvers for my personal off-duty carry.

If one is to carry a semi-auto though, no problem. But please do the following for your own benefit;

Make sure you can clear any type of malfunction that may occur such as a stove-pipe, FTF (failure to feed), FTE (failure to eject) or double feed. Especially under duress, which you'll be under in a real world altercation. Make sure you can do so fluently and without hesitiation.

Make sure you know how to fire with either hand, as your primary hand may be injured or busy with some other function. Some folks tend to limp-wrist with the 'reactionary' hand if they've never used it to fire the weapon.

Make sure you know how to cycle the slide manually, with either hand....or without using your hands at all!

Make sure you know how to load with either hand fluently.

Just a few tid-bits to consider.

My advice on the 642 vs. 640...both :D If you can afford them.
 
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I agree completely with your post about the simplicity of the revolver. I've had fte's with semi's and even with practice in non stress situation, they are time consuming to clear. Revolver is safer. I have both the 640, 642 and 442. Excellent guns. I use plus p in the 640 and standard pressure in the 642/442. Incredible guns for pocket carry and the 640 I carry IWB in an MTR leather holster. Easy to carry that way. I have a shield 9mm and a Glock 9mm model 19. Great guns but I trust the revolver more..


That's just me and old revolver guy.
 
Does anyone have the 642 Performance Center? Just curious how the finish holds up over time with daily carry?

Also is it a true performance center? With the PC logo on the frame?
 
Another "get both" vote, but we all know that isn't alway practical.

I've knuckled under and now own both (don't tell my wife)... Both of mine are "no lock" versions --- 642-1 & 640-1 Pro Series.

The 642 has a unique role in my carry rotation. With it's light weight and small size it is my only true pocket handgun. I can pocket carry it in almost any pocket at any time with little regard to belt type or type of pants/shorts. With +P ammo this little 38 stings my hands and definately isn't an "all afternoon range gun". The slick, hard Altmont boot grips don't help much with recoil, but they make for a snag-free extraction from deep in my pocket.

My 640 is in a blurred rotation role. With its weight I have regulated it to belt carry. Logic would say if I'm carrying 23ish ounces on my belt, why not carry the same weight in a plastic gun with three times the ammo and quicker reloads? Good point, but I'm hard-headed and sometimes I just want to carry a wheel gun. Since my 640 J frame is smaller and lighter than my K frames, the 640 gets the "on the belt wheel gun" nod.

I find 357 magnum rounds in my 640 are manageable, but some loadings are quite a handful. When firing 357s I get some extra velocity, quite a bit more recoil & blast, and my hand disappears in a fireball when I touch it off. Because of this I generally carry my 640 with 38 +P.

Some would ask, If I'm electing to carry my 640 with 38 +P ammo why not carry the much lighter 642? Good question... I do like the 357 Magnum option the 640 provides for those times I want the extra power such as in the woods. This versatility, along with a more pleasurable range time with 38 practice rounds are some of the benefits of an all steel J frame.

You will need to determine which role you are trying to fill when you purchase this next J frame. The problem is, before it is over you will likely want (read: NEED) both!

Let us know which you pick.

Edmo

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I really like both, but the 642 is quite a bit easier to carry, especially in a pocket and unless your looking at a fairly old 640, I assume it has the internal lock and that in itself would rule it out for me. Considering you can get a brand new no-lock 642 for under $400, I would be leaning towards it.
 
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The 640 Pro that is currently available is No Lock. There are also currently available no lock versions of the 442 and 642. My 649 has the lock as you can see but it of little consequence.

Yes I am aware that this is a Zombie thread but this question gets asked so often we should sticky it.

My advice is get as many J frames as you can afford.

The J frame is the one style revolver that S&W is doing a really good job of making available without the lock. Let's hope that spreads to the other frame sizes as well.
 
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