New 10mm Federal Fusion Load

[Texas Star]

I no longer write about guns, but a few firms still send me press releases. Got one from Federal saying they have a new 10mm with 200 grain bullet at 1200 FPS.
Designed expressly for hunting, it uses their Fusion bullet.

Thought you fellows might like to know.

They said it's shipping now. No, I don't know if it was tested on charging bears...

 

[cmj8591]

Is it about $5 a round?

 

[colt_saa]

Is it about $5 a round?

No, the 20 round box has an MSRP of $32.99

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Like many modern projectiles this has a pre-scored jacket for expansion and a bonded core for weight retention.

F10FS1 is their product code for the new offering.

BTW, that 1200 FPS is from a 6" test barrel, so our 1911s and Glocks will be slightly slower.

 

[The_Truth]

That's more expensive than Underwood 200gr XTPs which is a superior product IMO

 

[colt_saa]

That's more expensive than Underwood 200gr XTPs which is a superior product IMO

Obviously we do not know how much it is going to really cost . . . . Nobody pays MSRP for their ammunition

But, tell us the truth, what makes the Underwood product a superior hunting round over this NEW Fusion offering?

 

[Autonomous]

In a field of watered own 10mm loads it's nice to see a big name full power version.

 

[CH4]

That's more expensive than Underwood 200gr XTPs which is a superior product IMO

Yep, also in the ballpark with BB.

 

[The_Truth]

Obviously we do not know how much it is going to really cost . . . . Nobody pays MSRP for their ammunition

But, tell us the truth, what makes the Underwood product a superior hunting round over this NEW Fusion offering?

Underwood is loaded on the hot side of SAAMI specs, not this watered down .40 S&W in a 10mm case we see from all the major ammo makers. As for the XTP bullet, it's a legendary bullet design with excellent penetration and expansion, and one of the better high velocity pistol bullets. Very nice weight retention.

I carry Underwood XTPs in all my 10mms.

 

[colt_saa]

Underwood is loaded on the hot side of SAAMI specs, not this watered down .40 S&W in a 10mm case we see from all the major ammo makers. As for the XTP bullet, it's a legendary bullet design with excellent penetration and expansion, and one of the better high velocity pistol bullets. Very nice weight retention.

I carry Underwood XTPs in all my 10mms.

I just want to make sure that I understand your viewpoint

You care calling Federal's new 200 grain Fusion load at 1250 FPS a "watered down .40 S&W in a 10mm case"

However you are calling Underwood's 200 grain XTP at 1250 FPS "loaded on the hot side of SAAMI specs"

 

[Turn4811]

Any 200gr JHP traveling 1200+ fps is a force to be reckoned with.

I have a 200gr "unknown" JHP that I have a load for that sends it downrange at 1150 fps. I can push it faster but it groups better at this speed with the powder I am using.

 

[Erocksmash]

I run 200gr Underwood hard cast in the 1026 when I trex threw the Smokies. These have rather peaked my interest, and seem rather impressive... I mostly run 180gr handloads, but have wanted to run some 200grs as of recent.

Wonder how these would run in a 1013....

 

[Racer X]

No, the 20 round box has an MSRP of $32.99

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Like many modern projectiles this has a pre-scored jacket for expansion and a bonded core for weight retention.

F10FS1 is their product code for the new offering.

BTW, that 1200 FPS is from a 6" test barrel, so our 1911s and Glocks will be slightly slower.

Not a Glock 40MOS, they have a 6" barrel. Great hog pistol with a red dot.

 

[SweetMK]

I have a box of XTP loads for my 10MM,,
and I have a box of "Black Talons" 10MM,,

Do I need these Fusion rounds,, also?

 

[Erocksmash]

I have a box of XTP loads for my 10MM,,
and I have a box of "Black Talons" 10MM,,

Do I need these Fusion rounds,, also?

Hmmm. I forgot about the Black Talons... How fast are they moving ? Does anybody know ? I don't think Winchester put the info on the box?

 

[colt_saa]

Hmmm. I forgot about the Black Talons... How fast are they moving ? Does anybody know ? I don't think Winchester put the info on the box?

I do not recall Winchester's claims for the product . . . However I did chronograph some out of my Delta Gold Cup at just a tad under 1000 FPS.

Even though the projectiles weighed 200 grains, I would have liked to have seen it moving faster.

 

[Echo40]

So a commercial ammo manufacturer is finally loading a full-power 10mm load, huh?

Hopefully others will follow suit. I actually lost all interest in 10mm Auto after I learned that pretty much only specialty ammo made by brands like Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, and Cor-Bon actually loaded their 10mm ammo any hotter than .40 S&W, with everything else being the old "FBI Loads" which are essentially just .40 S&W in a longer case, with any difference in performance being negligible, like 25-50fps faster than the equivalent .40 S&W load.

If more ammo manufacturers start loading 10mm Auto seriously, then I can see getting a 10mm Pistol in my future.

 

[Autonomous]

I have a box of XTP loads for my 10MM,,
and I have a box of "Black Talons" 10MM,,

Do I need these Fusion rounds,, also?

What is your 10mm's mission?
Target, brown bears, mountain lions. evil bipeds, etc.?
We'll go from there.

 

[dusty3030]

I'd like to try it. We've killed a bunch of deer with fusion .243 Winchesters and 30-06's with no complaints. Has been consistent in our experience. I like handgun hunting and the 10mm. I'll have to give these a try.

 

[SweetMK]

What is your 10mm's mission?
Target, brown bears, mountain lions. evil bipeds, etc.?
We'll go from there.

OOPS, I forgot that,,

I carry the 10MM, or the 629-4 when I am walking our property,,
there, the main concern is the black bear,,

I have never carried on my property, but, the bears are increasing population like whitetail deer,,
I MEAN literally, we have LOTS of bears, and LOTS of momma-baby combos.
Momma is my main concern, at about 300 pounds.

 

[The_Truth]

I just want to make sure that I understand your viewpoint

You care calling Federal's new 200 grain Fusion load at 1250 FPS a "watered down .40 S&W in a 10mm case"

However you are calling Underwood's 200 grain XTP at 1250 FPS "loaded on the hot side of SAAMI specs"

The OP said, "1200 fps out of a 6" barrel" which is not at all the same.

I know we are splitting hairs here, but if you're going to challenge my claims I can back them up with actual data via YouTube ballistics channels alone vs. these claimed numbers, not to mention you are misquoting the OP.