New 9mm 2.0 double feeds

This is not a magazine issue. It is a failure of the extractor to retract the round from the chamber which could have several causes from bad ammo to bad extractor tension or construction, to a damaged, pitted, dirty, or debris-obstructed chamber.
Yes, definitely not a magazine issue. I also don't think it could be an ammo issue. I've never seen a case that was so far out of spec that the extractor couldn't grab on to the rim. I've seen a few that were too large and got stuck in the chamber, but those didn't feed either so, different from this issue.
 
I've seen ammo cause this... we got a bad batch of training ammo and had significant issues, including both failures to go into battery (which required significant force to extract the case) and failures to extract. We sent over 600,000 rounds back and switched ammo... no more issues. The cases were visibly long and measured over SAAMI spec. I still have one of the rounds in my desk drawer.

That said, I think ammo is the less likely explaination.
 
Upon rereading the original post I agree that it's not a mag issue. The title threw me off. My understanding of a double feed is when you have two live rounds trying to make it to the chamber. The OP is referring to a failure to extract issue. In that case I'd guess, if not the ammo, rough chamber, weak extractor spring or misshapen or broken extractor. But then I'm just a Bubba.
 
The closest thing one can have to a double feed in a common pistol, and I suppose it would qualify as the term, would be an inertial feed, though those rarely present as a "double feed" and are more frequently seen as a failure to go into battery due to the rim being in front of the extractor since it's most commonly the last round in the mag.

In the case of an inertial feed that presents as a double feed, the pistol recoils to the rear with fast slide velocity, causing the top round in the magazine to Move forward in the magazine as the pistol is moving rearward. Think glasses on a table as the table cloth is pulled away. If the round moves forward enough it can begin to chamber while the slide picks up the second round (if it has the opportunity to rise to be contacted by the feed rib, which it often does not)... this looks like a double feed, and I suppose it sorta is, but it's more accurately described and diagnosed as an inertial feed.
 
I'm fairly sure I've experienced double feeds in pistols.
I doubt you have. Allow me to explain...

This is a true double feed:
AR-DOUBLE-FEED.jpg


Here we see two rounds trying to go into the chamber at the same time. Hence the term double because two are feeding.

This is the problem in this thread:
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This is a round that didn't extract from the chamber and the next round tried to feed behind it. The proper term is a failure to extract, but a lot call this a double feed. There simply isn't room in a pistol for two rounds to try to enter the chamber at the same time like we saw in the AR picture.
 
Just sold my FNS-9 to buy a new, full-size M&P9 M2.0...

...but after reading this, I'm not so sure!

I have yet to see a video review that poopoo's the M&P9 M2.0 pistol.

Is this much ado about nothing, or should I be concerned?

Thanks, guys.
 
...but after reading this, I'm not so sure!

I have yet to see a video review that poopoo's the M&P9 M2.0 pistol.

Is this much ado about nothing, or should I be concerned?

Thanks, guys.

No need for concern... the 2.0 is a great gun and very reliable. Every manufacturer has put out guns (or cars or anything) that need warranty work but the 2.0 is an awesome gun. Further, the pistol described in this thread may not even have an issue... it could be ammo, but with S&W's good customer service, why not have them check it out?
 
The closest thing one can have to a double feed in a common pistol, and I suppose it would qualify as the term, would be an inertial feed, though those rarely present as a "double feed" and are more frequently seen as a failure to go into battery due to the rim being in front of the extractor since it's most commonly the last round in the mag.

In the case of an inertial feed that presents as a double feed, the pistol recoils to the rear with fast slide velocity, causing the top round in the magazine to Move forward in the magazine as the pistol is moving rearward. Think glasses on a table as the table cloth is pulled away. If the round moves forward enough it can begin to chamber while the slide picks up the second round (if it has the opportunity to rise to be contacted by the feed rib, which it often does not)... this looks like a double feed, and I suppose it sorta is, but it's more accurately described and diagnosed as an inertial feed.

I understand how slide velocity can cause a malfunction. (Usually, failure to feed.) But how does the slide pick up the second round in the mag before the first clears the mag lips?
 
Is this much ado about nothing, or should I be concerned?

Thanks, guys.
Not even much ado. It's really nothing. This is one isolated problem that one guy is having. It's extremely rare to hear of issues with the M&P especially the 2.0 edition.

The EZ has had some flack, but that's also a unique problem.
 
I understand how slide velocity can cause a malfunction. (Usually, failure to feed.) But how does the slide pick up the second round in the mag before the first clears the mag lips?

It happens when the first round does clear the feed lips. It basically starts to feed itself into the chamber as the slide recoils. That's one option for the round. Another option is to remove itself from the pistol through the ejection port as is apparently experienced by the military with the new Sig MHS gun (M17? - I can't remember).
 
It happens when the first round does clear the feed lips. It basically starts to feed itself into the chamber as the slide recoils. That's one option for the round. Another option is to remove itself from the pistol through the ejection port as is apparently experienced by the military with the new Sig MHS gun (M17? - I can't remember).

I'm trying to see this. The slide is recoiling to the rear so how does the round go forward into the chamber?
 
In the case of an inertial feed that presents as a double feed, the pistol recoils to the rear with fast slide velocity, causing the top round in the magazine to Move forward in the magazine as the pistol is moving rearward. Think glasses on a table as the table cloth is pulled away. If the round moves forward enough it can begin to chamber while the slide picks up the second round (if it has the opportunity to rise to be contacted by the feed rib, which it often does not)... this looks like a double feed, and I suppose it sorta is, but it's more accurately described and diagnosed as an inertial feed.


Used to see this with 1911s chambered in .40 S&W. Slide went too fast; inertial feed happens; loose live round either jams as a double feed, or it follows the empty case out the ejection port.

That, and other reasons, is why you don't see any more 1911s in .40.
 
I've had great luck with s&w customer service. Always great. I'll add my 2.0 has been flawless. Countless rounds. Not one malfunction. I've had trouble with Winchester ammo before though and haven't bought any in years. Not that it's what is causing your problems. I'd bet the extractor is your problem.
 
I shoot a LOT of WWB from Walmart, 115 gr and 124 gr, never had an issue.

If you're confident you're cleaning it good and not limp writing, I'd definitely call S&W
 
I'll call S&W, but I'd really like to try some different ammo and see. I thought the Win NATO would be an upgrade over the WWB. Maybe not???

My shield works fine with all ammo except underpowered PPU stuff. My carry ammo is Q4318 NATO. It has a bit of extra pop to ensure reliable cycling.
 
My M&P9 2.0 was due to arrive in Springfield on Thursday afternoon. Back at the range today with my PPS M2. The Walther has also had a diet of the same WWB 115, Win NATO 124, and Remington UMC 115 jhp's. No failures of any kind on the Walther in approximately 300 rounds.
 
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