New anti-gun law in the works?

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I got an email about the below, only source I've seen so far. Anybody else heard this?

"Gun-grabbing Senators Frank Lautenberg, Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Schumerand others are scheming to bury an anti-gun amendment into the so-called "Cybersecurity Act."
This amendment even comes complete with serial number tracking and allows Obama's Attorney General, Eric Holder, to add additional regulationswithout Congressional Oversight.
This gun control scheme disguised as a"magazine ban" could be voted on by the Democrat-controlled Senate as soon as Monday."
 
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It's partially true, at least that Schumer has put an amendment in the cyber security bill to put the 10 round mag limit in place. Interestingly this doesn't just say "can't make more" but sounds like it would prevent sales and transfers of them as well.

Only the mag restriction was in this particular amendment, so anything other than that is untrue.

Took some doing, had to spend forever to find the actual amendment text and not just someone describing it, but here is the full text of the amendment:



SEC. __. PROHIBITION ON TRANSFER OR POSSESSION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.

(a) Definition.--Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after paragraph (29) the following:

``(30) The term `large capacity ammunition feeding device'--

``(A) means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; but

``(B) does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.''.

(b) Prohibitions.--Section 922 of such title is amended by inserting after subsection (u) the following:

``(v)(1)(A)(i) Except as provided in clause (ii), it shall be unlawful for a person to transfer or possess a large capacity ammunition feeding device.

[Page: S5403] ``(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to the possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device otherwise lawfully possessed within the United States on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection.

``(B) It shall be unlawful for any person to import or bring into the United States a large capacity ammunition feeding device.

``(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to--

``(A) a manufacture for, transfer to, or possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States or a State or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, or a transfer to or possession by a law enforcement officer employed by such an entity for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty);

``(B) a transfer to a licensee under title I of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 for purposes of establishing and maintaining an on-site physical protection system and security organization required by Federal law, or possession by an employee or contractor of such a licensee on-site for such purposes or off-site for purposes of licensee-authorized training or transportation of nuclear materials;

``(C) the possession, by an individual who is retired from service with a law enforcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited from receiving ammunition, of a large capacity ammunition feeding device transferred to the individual by the agency upon that retirement; or

``(D) a manufacture, transfer, or possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device by a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General.''.

(c) Penalties.--Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:

``(8) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(v) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.''.

(d) Identification Markings.--Section 923(i) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following: ``A large capacity ammunition feeding device manufactured after the date of the enactment of this sentence shall be identified by a serial number that clearly shows that the device was manufactured after such date of enactment, and such other identification as the Attorney General may by regulation prescribe.''.


So whatever you own on the date this is signed into law you can keep, but you can't transfer them or acquire them after that date.

The "tracking" part of what you received must refer to the last paragraph of the amendment, which says any magazine > 10 rounds made after the law is passed must be serial numbered and tracked however the Atty General wants. Since they'd only be made for LEO and military use that's clearly just to track them back if used in a crime. It's "tracking" but misleading IMO b/c it's tracking something none of us would be able to possess anyway.

Fortunately this thing will be DOA in the House even if it makes it out of the Senate.
 
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The problem is that once we accept the premise that limiting access to guns and specifically certain types of guns is the solution, it creates a movement in a direction that is logically hard to stop.

For example, we ban >10 round mags but don't round up existing ones. Then we get another tragedy using existing high cap mags. Then the call is to round up as many as we can. Or say he uses just 10 round mags, then the call is to make them 5 rounds. Where is the logical conclusion once we accept the premise?

I am a moderate on this issue as gun owners go, but it's difficult to see where those who want to protect the public by limiting guns and gun access are going to be satisfied. We know their results will fall far short of their goals, so won't they ask for more in order to achieve their results? At what point when the next Aurora happens will they say "well we've done all we can to limit guns within the scope of the 2nd Amendment, we have to move on to other approaches"?

Anyway, I posted the full text of the amendment in the other thread on this, "anti-hun legislation" thread.
 
Please don't take this as political, as in one party versus the other, but maybe in the general "politicians are full of it sense."

If you google around you'll find a picture of Schumer at the Remington factory in New York endorsing their move of jobs there when they moved Bushmaster production to NY. He's standing there admiring a Bushmaster AR with the trimmings.

Had to explain to a friend that for all intents and purposes he was admiring the same basic gun used in Aurora that he denounced and wants to limit. Different makers but both AR "black guns" designed for mags far bigger than 10 rounds.

So maybe if we move all AR production to his state he'll join the NRA? ;)
 
The problem is that once we accept the premise that limiting access to guns and specifically certain types of guns is the solution, it creates a movement in a direction that is logically hard to stop.

Got that right!

I just read this quote that I have seen a couple of times, but cannot remember by who or where:

"Freedom is not a roll of bologna to be bartered one slice at a time."
 
Magazine Ban!

Some info I received. Democrat anti-gunners could force a magazine ban vote on the floor of the U.S. Senate today.

They're attempting to ban magazines used commonly for self-defense and sport shooting by burying an amendment deep inside the "Cybersecurity Act" (S. 3414).

Please call your Senator ASAP! :mad:
 
This is exactly why I paid for a three year membership to the NRA yesterday. Hopefully they are on it!
 
It wouldn't hurt to call and voice your opinion on the matter...but I would say that the NRA can make the biggest waves.
 
Glad they're doing it. The voters need to be reminded who their friends and enemies are.

It will go down in flames.
 
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Interestingly this doesn't just say "can't make more" but sounds like it would prevent sales and transfers of them as well.

[Page: S5403] ``(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to the possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device otherwise lawfully possessed within the United States on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection.

This seems to indicate that is not true... just like the last time...

But seriously, this is ridiculous. Hopefully it wont even make it out of the Senate.

But watch out, it's going to be difficult come election time because the libs will use it against anyone who votes against it.

"Senator xxxx is pro-violence, he voted AGAINST limiting guns..."
 

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