New burn rate chart from Hodgdon

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Just noticed there is an updated burn rate chart from Hodgdon dated 11-22-2016.
It includes the new IMR line coming out in January.
IMR Red, Green, Blue, Target, and Unequal (I do get a kick out of that one as they intended).
Also on the list is CFE BLK for the 300 Blackout right between 1680 and Norma 200.
introducing-new-cfe-blk-from-hodgdon/
Possibly good in the 1.6" revolver supermags up to the 500 and other large cylindrical cases.
Hodgdon Burn Rate Chart 11-22-2016
So far I can't find much loading data for handguns using any of these.

Ballistic Products has these in it's latest flyer at $21.39/lb and $19.39/14oz.
Not exactly earth shattering prices for a product launch
Recob's has Universal at $19.89/lb and Unique (out of stock) at $18.79/lb
Unequal would have to be lower than that for me to get serious about it.
Time will tell if Unequal really is. :)
 
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Thanks,

Thanks for pointing that out.

is Red Dot REALLY faster burning than Bullseye???

I think it's great that IMR is extending the line of products compatible with pistols. Their past emphasis has been so much on rifle powder.
 
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Looks like Hodgdon is going to field a man-to-man, powder-to-powder offense against Alliant and their Dot series (and Unique).
That is a pretty heavy investment to make. Clever marketing though.
Kind of like making all the LOTR movies at once hoping they were hits.
Not sure we have ever had it so rich when it comes to powder selection.
Bewildering almost.
Still don't see CSB-1 on those burn charts (it's somewhere near N32C or PB IMHO). ;)
Have start using that stuff up.
I doubt there will be any more given the current scene.
Capitalism sure fills a vacuum fast eh?
 
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They are missing several Accurate and Ramshot powders on their list too. I guess nobody makes an all-inclusive powder burn chart.
 
rwsmith said:
is Red Dot REALLY faster burning than Bullseye???

I think it's great that IMR is extending the line of products compatible with pistols. Their past emphasis has been so much on rifle powder.
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Exact positioning is always uncertain. I would suggest that the first 21 powders have more or less the same burn rate--real damn fast.

I'm ambivalent about the new IMR powders. I was not a fan of 700-X, and I'd like to try out Accurate powders first, once I burn through my current "experimentals".
 
On Red Dot having a faster burn rate than Bullseye is incorrect . I verified that by calling Alliant directly . Their answer was simply " No , it is slower than Bullseye ".
 
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Nemo288 said:
Still don't see CSB-1 on those burn charts (it's somewhere near N32C or PB IMHO). ;)
Have start using that stuff up.
I doubt there will be any more given the current scene.
Capitalism sure fills a vacuum fast eh?
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Ha! I still have 4 pounds to burn through myself. Thanks again for posting your chrono results with it. I'm a very big fan of 5.5-6.0gr CSB-1 under Xtreme .358 125 & 158's, and 7.5-8.0gr under Xtreme 200gr .44's. Very pleasant, clean, and accurate.

I suppose I'll give Universal a try now that it's avaiable again, or maybe this Unequal material if it ever shows up locally.
 
SLT223 said:
I'm a very big fan of 5.5-6.0gr CSB-1 under Xtreme .358 125 & 158's, and 7.5-8.0gr under Xtreme 200gr .44's. Very pleasant, clean, and accurate.
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Just got my first coated 210 grain 44 bullets from Missouri and will try them in the 44 special with 5.5, 6, 6.5 maybe 7 grains CSB-1.
As far as rare powders are concerned, I got some N105 thinking it might be good for top 44 special loads
but so far it's too slow for the 3" guns I prefer these days.
I am up to 13 grains and a 240 and they still go poof instead of bang. :)
I am gonna try Herco before it, too, disappears with the old school chemistry powders.

Here are some more burn rate charts to correlate:
Powder Burn Rate Comparison Chart @ www.reloadersnest.com
POWDER BURN RATE COMPARISONS
http://www.lapua.com/upload/reloading/reloadingburningratechart2011.pdf
This is the same chart Vihtavouri offers as well.
http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/burn_rates.pdf
You want color:
Powder Burning Rate Chart
http://www.loaddata.com/articles/PDF/Burn%20Rate%20Chart%20(New).pdf
(gotta love a "new" chart that lists Scot powders)
http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammo/ammunition_st_burnchart_200907/
Another chart that lists Red Dot faster than Bullseye.
This one has Red Dot slower than Clays:
http://www.beartoothbullets.com/rescources/burnrate.htm
I guess fast is fast and they are in a photo finish.
This chart from GS bullets in S. Africa has a lot of foreign powders we are seeing more of:
http://www.gsgroup.co.za/burnrates.html
Some of the comparative placements are questionable between makers though.
GS makes one of the earlier solids dedicated to the 444.
This one from Germany is interesting, somewhat old, and the positions between brands should be taken with a fair load of salt:
http://www.lhs-germany.de/fileadmin/dateien/dokumente/Pulver/2013/Burning_Rate_Chart_LHS_2013.10.pdf

Now this chart is different in that it has both relative velocity and pressure which is something you don't see every day.
As such it is not really a burn rate chart as we usually think of it.
You will see what I mean. I think it mostly shows energy/mass.
"Eurenco Bofors produced the following chart, which we have published in our Norma Reloading Manual.
Their ballisticians tested the same powder charge (43.2 grains) using the same bullet (143-grain FMJ)
loaded in the 308 Winchester - they used IMR 4350 performance as a reference.
This chart may not be any more accurate than any other but, compared to most, it does give significantly more
information about how the relative burning rates were derived and it does relate to at least one real-world situation."
https://www.norma.cc/us/Ammunition-Academy/om-handladdning/brinntider-for-krut/
 
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Nemo, I'm sitting on an unopened box of the same bullets from Missouri. Please let me know how it goes. I was planning on loading .44 Special ballistics in .44RM brass.
 
SLT223 said:
Nemo, I'm sitting on an unopened box of the same bullets from Missouri. Please let me know how it goes. I was planning on loading .44 Special ballistics in .44RM brass.
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Will do. Also gives me the incentive to actually start loading these.
I have been mostly testing 444 lately.
444 Master Reloading Table (I am the curator)
Might be a couple-3 weeks as it is holiday season and we are in our second big snow storm right now.
Honey-do list is extensive as we are hosting parties. :)
You will want to add about .5 grain extra to make up for the increased case size of the magnum brass compared to my Starline 44 special loads.
That's worked for me in the past.
 
Nemo288 said:
CSB-1 on those burn charts (it's somewhere near N32C or PB IMHO). ;)
Have start using that stuff up.
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I've got some too, and haven't seen much in the way of good load data for it. Though I'll add what you guys have already posted to the little bit of data I have found previously.

SLT223 said:
I'm a very big fan of 5.5-6.0gr CSB-1 under Xtreme .358 125 & 158's, and 7.5-8.0gr under Xtreme 200gr .44's. Very pleasant, clean, and accurate.
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I presume these loads are 38 and 44 specials? The charges don't look like magnum charges...
 
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BC38 said:
I presume these loads are 38 and 44 specials? The charges don't look like magnum charges...
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CSB-1 is faster than Universal as I tested in the 44 magnum.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/416335-csb-1-44-magnum.html post #3
8 grains is probably over the limit for 44 special especially the 15 kpsi version.
Very nice target load in the magnum though.
7 is the limit for me with Universal and a 240 in the special case.
Reviewing that data in the magnum case looks like 7 grains CSB-1 and the 210 Hi-Tek may be a good top load in the special case.
I try not to Elmer my mostly irreplaceable 696's even though Brian Pearce says they are capable of
20-25 kpsi and were tested even higher during development.
 
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Hodgdon's placement of Longshot, between Bluedot & 2400, is another one that seems too far out of place.

In reloading manuals that list Longshot & Power Pistol loads together, they're within a few tenths of each other. I loosely think of them as interchangeable.

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"Thanks for the chart, they are not exact but are useful. " post #11


There are a lot of powders that are off in their place on that chart.........
Please don't think you can load by it.

Plus or minus 8-10 spots is not even close in my book, as mentioned in the above statements.

Where is that BE-86 at, any way ?? :D
 
Heck, youse guys need to make up your own charts!
Lets see... (gets out Zippo)... does it burn?
Yep! Should go right about HERE on the chart!
Testing how fast a 5 foot line of powder burns down the driveway should help me get rid of all that obsolete powder too.
I'll start working on that after the snow melts out there.
 
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