New guy question

[jonrigs]

I thought I saw this question/thread previously, but here goes...
I have a M&P 15 MOE edition with an Aimpoint PRO compM3 all the way forward on the top rail, and Mbus rear sight on the the rear (heh). I want to put a 3x magnifier in between, with a flip over mount. Tried an EOtech, but no black (it's a Johnny Cash kind of thing), and then a UTG 3x. The UTG worked just fine, until I flipped it over and raised the rear sight - which wouldn't fully deploy (it hit the barrel of the UTG). Anyone have a similar set up, specifically with the Aimpoint and Mbus?

 

[gunny4053]

Let me get some clarification, are you trying to co-witness the MBUS through the magnifier and the red dot? If so, that generally won't work, and isn't needed since the red dot holds the same zero as the irons.

 

[ClayCow]

Whoa man
Are you trying to put a red dot, iron sights and a scope? Your AR can be a multi tool but it's probably best if it is not.

 

[JaPes]

Whoa man
Are you trying to put a red dot, iron sights and a scope? Your AR can be a multi tool but it's probably best if it is not.

Iron sights. Dot. Magnifier. It's nothing new.

Use the dot for close quarters. Flip in the fixed power magnifier when you need it. It's useful, but adds weight.

 

[ClayCow]

There will almost never be a time in your life when you need both at the same time. Obviously do as you like : ) for me I'm going to have different rifles. It's not worth the added weight and cumbersome Ness to have both. I don't think the military even use both

 

[cyphertext]

There will almost never be a time in your life when you need both at the same time. Obviously do as you like : ) for me I'm going to have different rifles. It's not worth the added weight and cumbersome Ness to have both. I don't think the military even use both

Ummm.... Yes, the military has both optics and back up sights on their rifles.

Adding back up sights to a rifle with optics does not add a lot of weight.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2013/August/PublishingImages/carbine-web-aug13.jpg

 

[JaPes]

You're assuming that you'll always have access to your entire weapons collection. What if you had to evacuate and just pick one AR? Which one would you pick? I'd go for the one that is equipped with the most options. The fun part of AR ownership is that you can make it what you want.

That being said, I do agree with you about weight. I ran that combo and the weight and balance of the rifle was horrible. Useful as all heck to get some magnification, but just not fun. I shoot on a range. I shoot for fun. Guess what that rifle looks like today?

Simple. Lightweight. My only deviation is the carry handle. That thing adds weight. I just like carry handles.

 

[schgsd]

X2 for the carry handle.

Say what you want but I hold true to the belief that Mr. Stoner keeps one on his at that big range in the sky.

 

[ClayCow]

Ummm.... Yes, the military has both optics and back up sights on their rifles.

Adding back up sights to a rifle with optics does not add a lot of weight.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2013/August/PublishingImages/carbine-web-aug13.jpg

Optics and red dot and iron sights
Is what I was stating. Yes they have 2 but not 3. My bad by both I was referring to scope and red dot. I thought it be obvious that most military if not all have analog backup iron sights. But probably no one runs all three.

 

[ClayCow]

You're assuming that you'll always have access to your entire weapons collection. What if you had to evacuate and just pick one AR? Which one would you pick? I'd go for the one that is equipped with the most options. The fun part of AR ownership is that you can make it what you want.

That being said, I do agree with you about weight. I ran that combo and the weight and balance of the rifle was horrible. Useful as all heck to get some magnification, but just not fun. I shoot on a range. I shoot for fun. Guess what that rifle looks like today?

Simple. Lightweight. My only deviation is the carry handle. That thing adds weight. I just like carry handles.

I'd probably go with red dot. You want one that will fit the majority of your needs and not weigh you down. Trust me that rifle gets heavy with nothing on it. If you had to bug out, one optic is the first thing they'd be ditching if they had two.

It's all good in theory, but once you start marching it's another story.

 

[GranCazador]

use a good cantilever mount for the front. it will move the red dot out far enough for all to fit.

 

[cyphertext]

Optics and red dot and iron sights
Is what I was stating. Yes they have 2 but not 3. My bad by both I was referring to scope and red dot. I thought it be obvious that most military if not all have analog backup iron sights. But probably no one runs all three.

Red dots are optics... And the OP is not trying to mount both a red dot and a scope. He is mounting a magnifier behind the red dot. Very common configuration.

Personally, I would go with a low magnification, variable power scope over the red dot with magnifier. But each person and their needs are different.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Let me get some clarification, are you trying to co-witness the MBUS through the magnifier and the red dot?

This is what he posted... The UTG worked just fine, until I flipped it over and raised the rear sight - which wouldn't fully deploy (it hit the barrel of the UTG).

Sounds like to me the magnifier is flipped to the side but the rear sight still would not fully deploy because it's touching the side of the magnifier.

Everything mounted properly? If so, I know some off those magnifiers have a kind of whiskey barrel shape due to a lot of rubber around the body of the optic. If that is where the issue is, I'd just grind/file it off where it's touching. Either that, or just toss it in the AR parts bin where most all red dot magnifiers end up anyway.

Personally, I would go with a low magnification, variable power scope over the red dot with magnifier. But each person and their needs are different.

I would too.

The advantage of a 1x red dot is fast target acquisition-- unlimited eye relief and field of view. Once the magnifier is mounted in use, both are lost. When flipped to the side, there's a bunch of clutter in the shooter's face. No thanks.

Most guys never shoot their AR beyond a single piece of paper in front of them and try to make itsy-bitsy groups. A traditional magnified scope with simple crosshairs would be better suited.

 

[sgtsandman]

The OP could get 45 degree offset mounts for his iron sights, assuming the front sight is not a fixed sight. If it is a fixed sight, they will either need to do without the irons or move the optics to allow the MBUS to deploy correctly.

 

[ClayCow]

Red dots are optics... And the OP is not trying to mount both a red dot and a scope. He is mounting a magnifier behind the red dot. Very common configuration.

Personally, I would go with a low magnification, variable power scope over the red dot with magnifier. But each person and their needs are different.

I really need to work on my clarification. Gotcha. My bad on this one

 

[Rastoff]

I have a M&P 15 MOE edition with an Aimpoint PRO compM3...

You do not.

 

[JaPes]

If you had to bug out, one optic is the first thing they'd be ditching if they had two.

If I had to bug out and bring a rifle with me, it wouldn't be an AR-15.

 

[gunny4053]

This is what he posted... The UTG worked just fine, until I flipped it over and raised the rear sight - which wouldn't fully deploy (it hit the barrel of the UTG).

Yeah, Phil, I read that several times, but wasn't sure which direction he was headed with it. Remember, I'm "OLD".