The slide stop will losen up over time. I rented a M&P 9 and 40 before I bought mine, and both slide stops were lose enough you could chamber a round by releaseing it with ease. Who knows how many thousands of rounds those guns have seen? I have about 800 rounds through my 9 now, and you can chamber a round by releasing the stop if you want to... but its not real easy. It seems to get a little easier every hundred rounds or so.
New M&P 9 owner and already have a problem.
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I never quoted anyone in my post so I'm not sure why you thought it was pertaining to you. Maybe because of the manual thing where they say to use the sling shot method? BTW,IDPA is not about training in a real world defensive scenario even though it means International Defensive Pistol Association. They have you shoot around garbage cans and under cars to make it more realistic than shooting around plywood barriers (which they also do) ,but it's a competition, nothing more.
Metal sliding across metal under spring tension vs. the slide stop popping down out of the way when the slide is retracted by using the sling shot or overhand method.......which one causes more wear? It's not a theory, just basic physics of metal working. I've been a machinist for the past 15 years and have worked with enough material and have seen wear on enough parts to know what the causes are. How much wear depends on the part design and what material it's made from. Grinding two metal surfaces together as opposed to moving one piece of metal out of the way while the other slides by without touching it are two different things.
I'm not going to get into this topic, but military training is a tad different, especially when we're talking about a secondary weapon.
In any case, anyone can do what they want. Again, I didn't quote anyone in my post, but I did this time since I was quoted.
I'll repost this link here from a well respected trainer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVGQQhkjzec&feature=related
Competition vs. real world also has a lot to do about using the slide stop vs. sling shot or overhand. One hand manipulation drills will incorporate the slide stop as a release and that's a situation that may require it when there is no ledge to hook the back sight on and that's only if the back sight is set-up for it.
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I had the same issue with my M&P 40 Pro-Series. Initially the only way I could get the slide to release was by manually racking/releasing it from slide lock. After running 400-500 rounds through it the problem has started to clear up and now it just requires firm pressure to release the slide.
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Well I invented the internet...so there. LOL...I just love it when people have to add that they are gunsmiths/machinists/mechanical engineers/etc., in order to boost their legitimacy.
I took a much more practical route to this question of using the slide stop as a slide release. I ASKED S&W DIRECTLY. I sent an e-mail to them, and if and when I get a reply, I will post it on here. If I am wrong, I won't claim that I am Bill Clinton and it depends on what "is" is. I will admit my mistake. I wonder if others will?
I took a much more practical route to this question of using the slide stop as a slide release. I ASKED S&W DIRECTLY. I sent an e-mail to them, and if and when I get a reply, I will post it on here. If I am wrong, I won't claim that I am Bill Clinton and it depends on what "is" is. I will admit my mistake. I wonder if others will?
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Well I invented the internet...so there. LOL...I just love it when people have to add that they are gunsmiths/machinists/mechanical engineers/etc., in order to boost their legitimacy.
I took a much more practical route to this question of using the slide stop as a slide release. I ASKED S&W DIRECTLY. I sent an e-mail to them, and if and when I get a reply, I will post it on here. If I am wrong, I won't claim that I am Bill Clinton and it depends on what "is" is. I will admit my mistake. I wonder if others will?
First off, thank you for your service.
Mentioning my machinist background or mentioning a military background to give a statement credit......
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First off, thank you for your service.
Mentioning my machinist background or mentioning a military background to give a statement credit......
I mentioned my military background to explain my training in the use of the slide lock. You used the machinist thing to legitimize your opinion about the slide lock wearing. Big difference.
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and then you said " Evidently Uncle Sammie takes Murphy's Law ("Anything that can go wrong, WILL go wrong") into account more than civilian folks. " which would mean the military training you had is better than what civilians are taught which means the slide lock equals a slide release or am I reading it wrong?
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Some interesting posts about the M&P slide lock:
Difficulty with slide release on a new S&W M&P - 1911Forum
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/155535-slide-release-m-p-40-a.html
Difficulty with slide release on a new S&W M&P - 1911Forum
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/155535-slide-release-m-p-40-a.html
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Never said it was better, just different. Stop trying to insert words into my mouth. Do I think the military training was good? Yes. Is it better than civilian training? Maybe. No real way to know. Depending ONLY on slingshotting the slide to chamber a round seems like a very bad idea to me. What happens if you're in a gunfight and you lose the use of your right arm(Murphy Factor)? Much faster to use a slide release than grabbing the slide with your teeth or trying to find your belt and releasing it that way and possibly blowing off your dingus in the process.
Each firearm has it's own manual of arms. I find it most wise to read and follow each manual as written and not make the assumption that because gun "A" looks similar to gun "B" that both can be automatically treated the same.
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I didn't insert or change any words, just copy and pasted what was posted. In any case, let's just let it go.....
I do agree about one hand manipulation drills which is why I put in my post : "One hand manipulation drills will incorporate the slide stop as a release and that's a situation that may require it when there is no ledge to hook the back sight on and that's only if the back sight is set-up for it."
It's good to learn one handed manipulation drills but you don't necessarily use the same method when both hands are free. Training for both is good practice.
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M&P 9mm FS purchased in Jan. - no difficulty releasing the slide with the slide stop.
Same with an M&P Pro 9mm delivered last week, never fired, no problem releasing the slide with the slide stop.
Since 90% of the manual reads like it was written not by a shooter but by a trial lawyer and probably was I don't bother with it.
Same with an M&P Pro 9mm delivered last week, never fired, no problem releasing the slide with the slide stop.
Since 90% of the manual reads like it was written not by a shooter but by a trial lawyer and probably was I don't bother with it.
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Page 25 has specific instructions on how to cock the gun...
"When you are ready to shoot. grip the slide as described in Step 3 and pull it fully rearward to cock the hammer. Release slide to feed a round from the magazine into the chamber. THE PISTOL IS NOW LOADED, COCKED AND READY TO FIRE."
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Your response made me think of something. With one of my previous pistols I had used the slide lock lever as a release and I wasn't pulling the slide back and releasing. I was wondering why I had some fairly frequent "CLICK" and nothing. Thinking they were duds (after waiting each time for about 30 seconds pointed downrange) I now think that the way I was doing that may not have been fully cocking the pistol. But then again, since I'm not real clear yet on how the innards work, I could just be totally off base.
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That's fine if you are at the range and ready to shoot IMMEDIATELY.
What if you want to carry it or prepare for action but NOT shoot it?
In Condition Two, the pistol has a cartridge in the chamber and a full magazine in place. When a 1911 is carried in Condition Two, the thumb safety is off and the hammer is down. The grip safety is still in place but does not come into play until the hammer is brought back for firing.
That's how I carry a 1911. When I want to shoot it I ear back the hammer with my thumb.
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Unless the chamber of your 1911 is empty, you should not carry the weapon that way. It was designed to be carried Condition 1 or hammer down on an empty chamber and that's it.
As far as the whole slide stop vs. slide release thing, some firearms trainers decided that since people supposedly lose fine motor control during a gunfight, that they would not teach people to use the slide stop/release and instead slingshot the slide. It's a fashion thing, mostly, and next year they'll be on to something else. Recently, it's been the idiotic "press" the trigger verbiage. It's a trigger squeeze, it's always been a squeeze, and anybody who says otherwise is trying to sell you on his brilliance and capture your imagination, which is what takes money out of your pocket and puts it in theirs.
Nothing makes up for a lot of practice and doing things consistently. That's it.
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Carried it that way all my life from 1967 on without a problem. I am 62 and have NO intention of changing my ways because of a post on a forum or "sage advice" from a firearms instructor. I suggest you do some research on Condition one, two, and three. That's the three ways people carry a 1911A1.
On the rest...I agree 100%. Firearms trainers are never there when you need them (sorta like cops...LOL). They are only there to give advice AFTER THE FACT and tell you what you SHOULD have done.
Maybe I'm not understanding what you're doing, but if it's hammer down on a loaded chamber in Series 70, please don't do that.
Hey, do as you please, just remember, it could be someone you love that gets hurt or killed if that handgun falls out of its holster onto the hammer. You get a million ways to do things wrong and only one way to do things right. And for the record, I'm not a firearms instructor, I'm not enough of a showman to pull off a career like that!
Hey, do as you please, just remember, it could be someone you love that gets hurt or killed if that handgun falls out of its holster onto the hammer. You get a million ways to do things wrong and only one way to do things right. And for the record, I'm not a firearms instructor, I'm not enough of a showman to pull off a career like that!
The manual speaks to this on page 26. Note that none of the conditions of carry change the way the gun is initially cocked:
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NOTE: This pistol may be carried in anyone of the following three modes according to your needs:
Mode 1: -MAGAZINE EMPTY, CHAMBER EMPTY. Pistol cannot be discharged.
Use Mode 1 for storage, transporting, cleaning, repair, demonstrating and dry practice.-
Mode 2: -MAGAZINE LOADED, CHAMBER EMPTY, HAMMER DOWN. Pistol cannot be fired until slide is cycled and trigger is squeezed.
Use Mode 2 when CARRYING THE PISTOL READY FOR USE. -
Mode 3: -MAGAZINE LOADED, CHAMBER LOADED, HAMMER
COCKED, SAFETY ON.
Pistol can be fired when slide lock safety is off and trigger is squeezed.
Use Mode 3 when you MUST BE PREPARED to use the pistol IMMEDIATELY without warning.
WARNING: When you squeeze the trigger, you must expect the gun to fire, and you must take full responsibility for firing it. Your care can avoid accidental discharge, and you will thereby avoid accidental injury and death.
Precisely.
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CAUTION DO NOT CARRY YOUR PISTOL WITH THE HAMMER DOWN ON A LIVE CARTRIDGE!
(Their caps, not mine).
