New M&P 9 owner and already have a problem.

[Deputy]

Maybe I'm not understanding what you're doing, but if it's hammer down on a loaded chamber in Series 70, please don't do that.

Hey, do as you please, just remember, it could be someone you love that gets hurt or killed if that handgun falls out of its holster onto the hammer. You get a million ways to do things wrong and only one way to do things right. And for the record, I'm not a firearms instructor, I'm not enough of a showman to pull off a career like that!

It's a Series 80. And the holster is a Blackhawk Serpa. No chance of it falling out.

 

[Deputy]

The manual speaks to this on page 26. Note that none of the conditions of carry change the way the gun is initially cocked:

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NOTE: This pistol may be carried in anyone of the following three modes according to your needs:

Mode 1: -MAGAZINE EMPTY, CHAMBER EMPTY. Pistol cannot be discharged.
Use Mode 1 for storage, transporting, cleaning, repair, demonstrating and dry practice.-

Mode 2: -MAGAZINE LOADED, CHAMBER EMPTY, HAMMER DOWN. Pistol cannot be fired until slide is cycled and trigger is squeezed.
Use Mode 2 when CARRYING THE PISTOL READY FOR USE. -

Mode 3: -MAGAZINE LOADED, CHAMBER LOADED, HAMMER
COCKED, SAFETY ON.
Pistol can be fired when slide lock safety is off and trigger is squeezed.
Use Mode 3 when you MUST BE PREPARED to use the pistol IMMEDIATELY without warning.

WARNING: When you squeeze the trigger, you must expect the gun to fire, and you must take full responsibility for firing it. Your care can avoid accidental discharge, and you will thereby avoid accidental injury and death.

Do you follow EVERY instruction written in the owner's manual? These owner' manuals also tell you to NEVER keep the gun and ammunition in the same place. This junk was all written by LAWYERS, to protect MANUFACTURERS. Not by gun USERS. They also say NOT to change the grips or any parts on the gun. Do you also obey those rules? I lower the hammer down on a loaded chanber with my thumb on ALL my handguns. I suppose that scares the panties off many folks. Too bad so sad. You do what YOU think is the right thing. Not what some legal eagle who is worried about lawsuits to the manufacturer says is the right thing.

 

[blujax01]

Do you follow EVERY instruction written in the owner's manual? These owner' manuals also tell you to NEVER keep the gun and ammunition in the same place.

You are not correct. The statement you quoted which is taken directly from the manual shows 2 methods of carry with ammunition in the gun. Now storage of ammunition is a different animal.

I lower the hammer down on a loaded chanber with my thumb on ALL my handguns. I suppose that scares the panties off many folks. Too bad so sad. You do what YOU think is the right thing. Not what some legal eagle who is worried about lawsuits to the manufacturer says is the right thing.

Which is why we have GFCI's on hair dryers. The bloody obvious and ridiculous warning (including a picture) "Hey Fool, Don't Use This In The Bathtub" - wasn't enough to keep Darwin at bay!

 

[handejector]

Wow,
you guys sure like to argue.
If everyone simply agreed with me 100%, the world would be a far better place.

For the record, I like for slide stops to release slides.
Nearly 50 years of doing it is a hard habit to abandon.

I find it a bit disturbing that you can't use the slide stop as a release. The Murphy Factor could come into play and you may not be able to use your free hand to pull back the slide. I want the option of using my firing hand to manipulate the slide release.

Just curious-
After Murphy arrives, how did you get that new mag in the gun one handed? (yes, I know how it can be done)
I would think that if I have a bullet in one arm but still have the presence of mind to get a mag in the gun, I'll probably have the presence of mind to snag the rear sight on something and PUSH. I believe that will release the slide.

 

[Deputy]

Wow,
you guys sure like to argue.
If everyone simply agreed with me 100%, the world would be a far better place.

For the record, I like for slide stops to release slides.
Nearly 50 years of doing it is a hard habit to abandon.



Just curious-
After Murphy arrives, how did you get that new mag in the gun one handed? (yes, I know how it can be done)
I would think that if I have a bullet in one arm but still have the presence of mind to get a mag in the gun, I'll probably have the presence of mind to snag the rear sight on something and PUSH. I believe that will release the slide.

LOL...I am going to agree with you about the arguing and cease and desist. Impossible to get my point across with some folks. And I don't have the hairs to spare to split them.

I never worry about reloading a mag after one goes dry. If I haven't solved the problem after 7-8 rounds (or even 5 rounds in a revolver), I am pretty much screwed. I don't worry about zombie hoards attacking me like some folks fear. We don't have them in my neighborhood.
I know how to get the mag in one-handed too. But I'm not going to describe it because it will just result in another round of "oh no, that way isn't approved by the owner's manual or Joe Blow the gun expert".

 

[blujax01]

...
If everyone simply agreed with me 100%, the world would be a far better place.

I agree.

With you.

 

[handejector]

I know how to get the mag in one-handed too.

I knew you knew.
I didn't state that because I assumed you knew I knew you knew.

 

[Deputy]

I knew you knew.
I didn't state that because I assumed you knew I knew you knew.

LOL...it's all clear now.

 

[Houdini1953]

Maybe on an M&P there is that risk, but Glock states in their manual that you can either chamber a round by pulling back on the slide and releasing it, or using the slide release.
I find it a bit disturbing that you can't use the slide stop as a release. The Murphy Factor could come into play and you may not be able to use your free hand to pull back the slide. I want the option of using my firing hand to manipulate the slide release.

Adding one less problem is to do as I do and always carry my pistol with the round already in the chamber and all I need to do is pull the trigger!

It is simple as draw the weapon gets sights on target and then pull the trigger and bang!

 

[Deputy]

Adding one less problem is to do as I do and always carry my pistol with the round already in the chamber and all I need to do is pull the trigger!

It is simple as draw the weapon gets sights on target and then pull the trigger and bang!

We were talking about re-loading after the mag is empty. That's a different situation. I'm not real comfortable with a gun like the Glock and a round in the chamber all the time. The list of ADs is just too long and some of them were from experienced shooters. If I buy an M&P, I would get one with a manual safety.

 

[Deputy]

I took a much more practical route to this question of using the slide stop as a slide release. I ASKED S&W DIRECTLY. I sent an e-mail to them, and if and when I get a reply, I will post it on here. If I am wrong, I won't claim that I am Bill Clinton and it depends on what "is" is. I will admit my mistake. I wonder if others will?

And here is the result of my e-mail to S&W about this question of using the slide stop as a side release:

From: @juno.com [mailtojuno.com]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:02 PM
To: Smith & Wesson Support
Subject: Question on S&W M&P .40



Dear Sirs,
I have seen and been engaged in a debate on the S&W Forum concerning using the slide stop on the M&P pistols as a slide release. I would like to find out once-and-for-all if using the slide stop as a slide release is acceptable with the M&P pistol, or if it can somehow cause excess wear or damage to the gun. I think having a second way to release the slide in case the shooters second hand gets injured is a good thing. Not having that option would put the shooter at a distinct disadvantage in a tactical situation..



Yours,
**** ******

And the reply received just minutes ago:

From: Gazda, Paul
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:08 AM
To: Rossini, Mark "Rossini, Mark" <[email protected]>
Subject: FW: Question on S&W M&P .40


You can use it no problem

Regards, Paul

1-800-331-0852 Ext. 4125
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[Nakanokalronin]

Wasn't any doubt that the lock could be used as a release. They pretty much answered it short and to that single point. In any case, It's just about conflicting training and ingrained methods between members here. Nothing to get riled up over.

 

[baccusboy]

It's a Series 80. And the holster is a Blackhawk Serpa. No chance of it falling out.

So, you've carried a Series 80 since 1967?

 

[Deputy]

So, you've carried a Series 80 since 1967?

Yes. I am the original designer of the Series 80 and carried one before Colt even put in production. I also invented the internet along with Al Gore.

Obviously I didn't have one in 1967. The Army had us carry a loaded mag but no round in the chamber. I carried one that way until the Series 80 came out.

 

[Deputy]

Wasn't any doubt that the lock could be used as a release. They pretty much answered it short and to that single point. In any case, It's just about conflicting training and ingrained methods between members here. Nothing to get riled up over.

I agree. Although if you scroll back you will see some posts saying it was NOT to be used as a slide release and was ONLY a slide lock. S&W has now clarified that situation.