New Model 3 Target 38-44

[22hipower]

I don't visit this side of the Forum often as most of what I find is a little newer however occasionally something turns up that might be of interest here. These pictures arrived yesterday so they're all I have about the gun and won't have it in hand until next month although perhaps could get more pictures if needed.

Appears to be a New Model 3 Target in 38-44 and I've done a search here on the 38-44 so am aware of the limitations/options on ammunition. From what I can see in the pictures it appears to be in excellent condition and I don't see signs of a refinish but perhaps those more familiar with guns from this period will. I don't have my Standard Catalogue with me.

Appreciate any comments on condition, age, or anomalies noted. Thoughts on value would be appreciated too. Not really in my collection area but if as original as it appears perhaps I should expand my interests? I don't know that all the SNs (3784) match although from what my friend tells me he thinks they do but probably doesn't know all the places to look.

Thanks much.

Jeff
SWCA #1457

 

[handejector]

Definitely refinished.
If you want to play in Antiques and you keep this gun, take it with you to some larger shows where you might find some Antique S&Ws. Then, compare them side by side. That is the best way to learn the signs- direct observation.
It took me about ten seconds and only the first two pics to declare this one, but I've been handling and observing a loooong time.

 

[Club Gun Fan]

I have a nickel 38-44 shipped to Walter Wesson. Yours appears to be refinished as the hammer and trigger should be case colored. I' still would not throw it under the bus if I owned it.

 

[RCL-09]

When it refers to the 38/44 caliber on this piece, does that mean the higher pressure 38/44 developed in the 1930's? Or is just a .38 on a .44 frame?

 

[22hipower]

When it refers to the 38/44 caliber on this piece, does that mean the higher pressure 38/44 developed in the 1930's? Or is just a .38 on a .44 frame?

I don't know much about these but enough to say that the 38-44 is totally different from the 38/44 of the 1930s. The latter is a hotter 38 Special load while the 38-44 is a very different concept with the bullet loaded inside the case (meaning completely inside like a 38 wad cutter; no "chamber" in the cylinder) and was originally a black powder load. If you use the "search" button you can find a number of previous posts about the 38-44 load.

Jeff
SWCA #1457

 

[22hipower]

Definitely refinished.
If you want to play in Antiques and you keep this gun, take it with you to some larger shows where you might find some Antique S&Ws. Then, compare them side by side. That is the best way to learn the signs- direct observation.
It took me about ten seconds and only the first two pics to declare this one, but I've been handling and observing a loooong time.

Thanks Lee, I can usually note a refinish on newer models, just wasn't sure what to look for on this older one. The S&W stamp looked crisp and there didn't appear to be any heavy buffing. Knew you guys would know though.

Jeff
SWCA #1457

 

[Birdhunter6]

Thanks for sharing.

I'm a hand ejector guy, but looking at pics like yours could lead me down another path!

 

[RCL-09]

I don't know much about these but enough to say that the 38-44 is totally different from the 38/44 of the 1930s. The latter is a hotter 38 Special load while the 38-44 is a very different concept with the bullet loaded inside the case (meaning completely inside like a 38 wad cutter; no "chamber" in the cylinder) and was originally a black powder load. If you use the "search" button you can find a number of previous posts about the 38-44 load.

Jeff
SWCA #1457

Thank you. I never knew that. Did a search and found this:

S&W 3rd Model Target / 38-44 Reloading | RVB Precision

 

[RCL-09]

 

[H Richard]

It may just be the lighting, but to me the barrel & cylinder appear just slightly "newer" or "fresher" than the frame & grip. Have him check close for matching numbers. I'd love to have one of those, and it would be shot, somehow I would figure out how to load something that would work.

 

[Kinman]

Looks to be an excellent shooter grade revolver, with refinish and possible newer or exchanged parts considered. As I am sure you will discover that model shoots a cartridge that is very specific to itself, it would be a fun project to load for it and take it to the range. Not for the average shooter's interest in that you will work for your shooting enjoyment, which in my view is half the battle. I enjoy shooting the cartridges that I research, cast, develop a load for and shoot.

 

[iby]

JEFF>
Your NM 3 appears to be a late model (post 1900) shipped example.
looks like a long cylinder/frame with the trademark on the frame.
I agree it has been refinished.
Still a cool piece