New Model No.3 Target ?

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Am aquiring what I believe to be a new model #3 equipped with adjustable rear sight , wide knurled hammer spur , knurled ( checkered ) trigger , and high blade front sight ( could be changed but only a pin holding it ) the serial number is in the low 34xxx range towards the end from what I understand but 1897-98 in 44 SW ( American ) original blue is ? 75%+ vivid case colours on hammer and trigger . Not sure on barrel but at least 6" possibly 6 1/2 . All appears right as rain except front blade . The serial number has a star * after it . Curious as to approximate value and * designation . New to forum , thank you for the admission . Take it easy on a newbie . Lol. Thx.
 

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It is in fact a NM #3---with target sights. To pick a nit (something we're particularly good at), a NM #3 Target is the same---only different. It's a separate series (numbered from 1 to 4000 something), all equipped with target sights (S&W's first target only offering).

Given that yours is .44 caliber, it certainly could be chambered for .44 American (and therefore be somewhat of an odd-ball)---one of a dozen or more calibers offered---although .44 Russian is the most common among these. The barrel length is likely 6.5"---again, the most common. The star on the butt is a factory service mark, indicating it has been back to the factory for some repair/modification/refinishing. There should be/probably is a date stamp on the grip frame (typically left side) indicating when such work was performed----and if there's more than one such stamp, it's been back more than once. The date stamp will (typically) be of three or four digits---like so: 1 23 or 1.23---this example denoting January, 1923. Value is more or less depending upon the amount AND the originality of the finish---and more or less varying by a wide margin. Given the presence of the dreaded star, we are quick to jump to the conclusion the gun has been refinished----which ain't necessarily so. Take heart in the knowledge that while we are never in doubt, we're not always right. I am not inclined to speculate about the value without having the gun in my grubby little paws. Others will be along without such reservations. In the interim, I'll throw out the range of $2-4,000---and became the object of some ridicule----which I shall either ignore or learn from. I now own four of these (in a couple of variations). The lowest price tag (20 years ago) was $1,200---the highest (six years ago) was $9,500); so they're worth what someone is willing to pay at a particular time and place-------------depending upon myriad details.

Ralph Tremaine

By the by, the checkered trigger (if done by the factory---before shipping the first time) may be construed to mean you have a special order gun. That's normally no big deal, but they make my heart go pitter-patter a little bit faster---just because such makes them out of the ordinary. You should get a factory letter (after the moratorium on such is lifted----first of the year---or after). When ordering same, be sure to tell them about the checkered trigger---and ask if it was shipped with such. If it was not, that trip back to the factory could have been for the trigger work----in whole or in part. The front sight is almost certainly NOT a factory modification----so deemed simply because absolutely none of the sights offered at the time or since bear any resemblance whatsoever to it----which is to say it was hand carved by someone else somewhere else-----probably (although I'll bet money on that). I should add that while your letter may note special order, it may not tell you what's special about it. Often times the special order judgement is made on the basis of the selling price noted on the factory invoice. If it's higher than normal, it was a special order-----never mind that the invoice may not say one word about what's special about it. Everybody involved at the time already knew what was special, so there was no need to spend any time writing it down. Needless to say, they didn't give a rat's behind what some lunatic fringe collector might think about it a hundred and some odd years later.
 
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Welcome to the Forum. Everything Ralph says plus . . .

In case you are not familiar with the star, it means that the gun was returned to the factory at some point for work as Ralph stated. It could have been a broken spring, or a major part replacement. If a broken spring or other minor repair, refinish may or may not have happened. If a major part, like the barrel assembly, cylinder, or frame was replaced, the entire gun would have needed to be refinished to match. The owner might have wanted a rear target sight installed, have the trigger checkered, etc., and that might have been why it was returned. The only way to know the original configuration is to get a factory historical letter. If it comes back with information stating it originally left the factory as a standard NM3 SA, the value will take a hit. If it was refinished by the factory, the value will also take a hit, but collectors seem to be coming to accept a factory refinish and values are climbing. If the top rib slot was widened or modified, the value will take a hit. If the trigger was checkered post factory, the value will take a hit.

I hope this helps to understand the importance of originality and without the letter, there is no way to be sure. This is why valuing a gun like yours is difficult and a guess at best.
 
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If you do send for a letter, include the entire serial number, barrel length, finish and an special features. It would also be helpful if you include pictures.
 
What all the above have said, and from what I can see, the front sight is probably not original, it is not a sight S&W would have installed. This one will take some hands on inspection to determine value.
 
Have firearm " inhand " now as I purchased it . For sure front sight is after the fact , no signs of Pokery with the rib slot . Underneath the back sight are the last 4 digs. Of serial number . :) the trigger has " creep " stop ? adjustable screw behind it on guard . All parts match with serial numbers ( thank goodness ) factory refurb ? I can only go by my experience of 38 years and having gosh knows how many firearms in my hands , including factory re finished colts . There is always a sign of fine lettering buffing , loosing sharp edges and other " tells " we know about . This firearm shows no evidence of that . I believe it to be from the original manufacture finish . I really DO appreciate you fellows helping out . Great forum !!!!! Oh , yes it's 6 1/2" . Two weird letter stampings on the bottom of grip flats , "S" on the left flat and " U" on the right , opposite each other either side of bottom strap w serial number in metal . I have tons of other pics now but difficult ? To post hear . I have no ! Problem forwarding them to those interested via. Email to PM . Sounds like a letter is needed if and when I can get it ???? Cheers
 
In the for what it's worth department, a factory refinish is often entirely undetectable-----that is, a factory refinish "back in the day". I have seen some I absolutely, positively know were refinished----and could see NO sign of it whatsoever.(!!!)

Ralph Tremaine
 
New Model No.3 last pat.date 1871 ser.1553 44 russian Date of mfgr.?

can anyone help me date a New Model No.3 Ser # 1553
Last date on barrell is reissue 1871.
Thank you, steve [email protected]
239 292 5190
 
New Model No.3

I have a new model no.3 and I need help dating it. Ser.# 1553 last patent date is reissue 1871. Thank You, Steve [email protected] I have a
It is in fact a NM #3---with target sights. To pick a nit (something we're particularly good at), a NM #3 Target is the same---only different. It's a separate series (numbered from 1 to 4000 something), all equipped with target sights (S&W's first target only offering).

Given that yours is .44 caliber, it certainly could be chambered for .44 American (and therefore be somewhat of an odd-ball)---one of a dozen or more calibers offered---although .44 Russian is the most common among these. The barrel length is likely 6.5"---again, the most common. The star on the butt is a factory service mark, indicating it has been back to the factory for some repair/modification/refinishing. There should be/probably is a date stamp on the grip frame (typically left side) indicating when such work was performed----and if there's more than one such stamp, it's been back more than once. The date stamp will (typically) be of three or four digits---like so: 1 23 or 1.23---this example denoting January, 1923. Value is more or less depending upon the amount AND the originality of the finish---and more or less varying by a wide margin. Given the presence of the dreaded star, we are quick to jump to the conclusion the gun has been refinished----which ain't necessarily so. Take heart in the knowledge that while we are never in doubt, we're not always right. I am not inclined to speculate about the value without having the gun in my grubby little paws. Others will be along without such reservations. In the interim, I'll throw out the range of $2-4,000---and became the object of some ridicule----which I shall either ignore or learn from. I now own four of these (in a couple of variations). The lowest price tag (20 years ago) was $1,200---the highest (six years ago) was $9,500); so they're worth what someone is willing to pay at a particular time and place-------------depending upon myriad details.

Ralph Tremaine

By the by, the checkered trigger (if done by the factory---before shipping the first time) may be construed to mean you have a special order gun. That's normally no big deal, but they make my heart go pitter-patter a little bit faster---just because such makes them out of the ordinary. You should get a factory letter (after the moratorium on such is lifted----first of the year---or after). When ordering same, be sure to tell them about the checkered trigger---and ask if it was shipped with such. If it was not, that trip back to the factory could have been for the trigger work----in whole or in part. The front sight is almost certainly NOT a factory modification----so deemed simply because absolutely none of the sights offered at the time or since bear any resemblance whatsoever to it----which is to say it was hand carved by someone else somewhere else-----probably (although I'll bet money on that). I should add that while your letter may note special order, it may not tell you what's special about it. Often times the special order judgement is made on the basis of the selling price noted on the factory invoice. If it's higher than normal, it was a special order-----never mind that the invoice may not say one word about what's special about it. Everybody involved at the time already knew what was special, so there was no need to spend any time writing it down. Needless to say, they didn't give a rat's behind what some lunatic fringe collector might think about it a hundred and some odd years later.
 
OP do you have your gun in the restricted category or antique?
 
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