New North Carolina Second Amendment News

[Watchdog]

The latest incarnation of a bill to allow permitless carry of handguns in North Carolina, HB746, has passed the House by a vote of 64-51.

The bill will now go to the Senate, where it will have quite a few hurdles to get over if it's going to make it to the governor's desk.

 

[old bear]

Jim, as I understand it, if the bill passes to CCW there will still be a license required, but the 8 hour safety training will not be required, as well the extended background check will be eliminated. It would lower the age for legal CCW from 21 to 18, and I' not sure I agree with that.

Keep us posted, please.

Fred

 

[Walkingwolf]

Not the way I read the second version of the bill. Unless another version still mandates a CHP. Otherwise it will be optional, but I doubt the governor will sign it. The bill will never be law unless it can be overridden.

 

[old bear]

Not the way I read the second version of the bill. Unless another version still mandates a CHP. Otherwise it will be optional, but I doubt the governor will sign it. The bill will never be law unless it can be overridden.

Sir, all I know is what has been reported on the evening news, and we all know how accurate that can be

If my post was incorrect, sorry.

 

[Ballistic147]

If the bill passes it will legalize constitutional carry here in NC but a concealed carry permit will still be offered for those who need them for reciprocity in other states as well as using them to bypass the PPP.

 

[edubbie]

Do I recall correctly that NC already has an open carry law with no permit or training required? Is this just the ability to carry concealed without a permit? I remember my NC days where you could carry a loaded pistol on the passenger seat (open) but you needed a permit to carry it in the glove box (concealed). Crossing into SC, you would have to swap that since SC had no open carry law. We are working on that now as well.

 

[Ballistic147]

Do I recall correctly that NC already has an open carry law with no permit or training required? Is this just the ability to carry concealed without a permit? I remember my NC days where you could carry a loaded pistol on the passenger seat (open) but you needed a permit to carry it in the glove box (concealed). Crossing into SC, you would have to swap that since SC had no open carry law. We are working on that now as well.

Yes, you are correct.

 

[Watchdog]

Jim, as I understand it, if the bill passes to CCW there will still be a license required, but the 8 hour safety training will not be required, as well the extended background check will be eliminated.

No, a concealed carry license will not be required if this bill becomes law. But if you want to take advantage of other states' reciprocity, you should maintain your NCCHP. And the requirements for obtaining that CHP will remain in place.

Also, if this becomes law, it will not eliminate the requirement to obtain a Permit to Purchase from your county sheriff in order to buy a handgun in NC. But, if you maintain your CHP, you aren't required to get the purchase permit.

It would lower the age for legal CCW from 21 to 18, and I'm not sure I agree with that.

I'll state frankly that I am not in favor of allowing 18-year-olds to purchase a handgun. Nor am I in favor of allowing 18-year-olds to carry a handgun concealed.

North Carolinians who want to know everything about this bill can click here. The legislative site deals in facts, not in media reports and not in statements made by pro-gun and anti-gun groups.

Gun owners, sportsmen, and collectors in North Carolina know how many versions of this bill have come before the legislature over the years. Usually introduced by the same representatives over and over, with only slight changes in the wording. They also know its chances of becoming law are extremely slim.

 

[Watchdog]

Latest News on HB746

HB746 was referred to the Committee on Rules and Operations of the Senate on June 12, 2017.

 

[flip flappy]

I am probably in the minority but I am not in favor of Constitutional Carry here in NC. Definitely not in favor of an 18 year old carrying concealed. Carrying concealed is a huge responsibility. I have been around guns all my life as a hunter first and I believe the CC class I took helped me. I can't imagine the fully untrained 18 year old walking around with a loaded pistol. I understand that there are still morons who have a CCW permit and know a couple of guys who make us all look bad. I have a couple of friends, who happen to be ladies, that love to target shoot and who carry at their place of business. We were talking about the new law and they were against it as well. One mentioned hearing some gun shots recently in her neighborhood. She found her next door neighbor's teenage son and his friends shooting into the woods off their back deck. There are houses just a short distance through those woods....hedgerow if you will. This is the type that could be walking around in public with a pistol. I am fully aware that a CCW permit doesn't mean that everyone that has one will be competent but I like the chances a whole lot better than the untrained carrying. If my thinking is faulty, I am always willing to learn if someone make other points in favor.

 

[forrestinmathews]

First off, I don't believe that the whole state is going to start carrying guns because of this nor do I believe 18 year old hooligans are going to be carrying handguns. In Virginia an 18 year old cannot own a handgun and can only be temporarily transferred a handgun for certain limited purposes like work or hunting. They cannot just carry it anywhere and I believe that this would also end up the case in NC. Young guns won't be strolling into town blazing away like days of old. Whatever happened to taking ownership of your neighborhood and going and informing someone that what they are doing is unsafe? Maybe they aren't as aware as you are of the geography? Go and inform them and ask they reconsider shooting on the property. Not difficult.

 

[opaul]

Do I recall correctly that NC already has an open carry law with no permit or training required? Is this just the ability to carry concealed without a permit? I remember my NC days where you could carry a loaded pistol on the passenger seat (open) but you needed a permit to carry it in the glove box (concealed). Crossing into SC, you would have to swap that since SC had no open carry law. We are working on that now as well.

Yes that is correct and the part about the location of a handgun in a vehicle depending on the owner having a permit needs to change regardless IMHO. And, I don't think being loaded has anything to do with it. If you don't have a CCW, the handgun must be displayed.

 

[tops]

I remember my NC days where you could carry a loaded pistol on the passenger seat (open) but you needed a permit to carry it in the glove box (concealed).

If the glove compartment is locked it is legal and is not considered concealed. Larry

 

[opaul]

If the glove compartment is locked it is legal and is not considered concealed. Larry

Is this in writing? I'm not doubting you but my CCW instructor said otherwise. Edit - I just went to the NC Laws on page 25 and found this. See last sentence.......there is a lot of confusion and no clear delineation on vehicle carry.

D. Transporting Weapons
Given this general prohibition of carrying concealed weapons, individuals must be ever vigilant to ensure their particular situation cannot be construed as concealing a weapon, either on or about them, without being properly authorized to do so with a valid North Carolina, or recognized out-of-state concealed handgun permit. Therefore, the permittee's accessibility to the weapon is of prime importance. It is unlawful to transport a weapon (absent a proper permit) that is BOTH concealed and readily accessible to a person. It is for these reasons, that when transporting a weapon in a vehicle, even greater care must be exercised to ensure that the weapon is not concealed and within the ready access to an occupant of the vehicle. North Carolina law does not specifically address how to transport a weapon in an automobile. Therefore, the central question becomes: when is the weapon concealed and readily accessible to an occupant of an automobile? Obviously, a weapon would be concealed and readily accessible, and therefore in violation of North Carolina law, if it were placed in such areas of a vehicle as under the seat of the automobile; in a bag in the back seat; or in some other manner is covered or hidden within the easy reach of an occupant of the vehicle. It is our recommendation that firearms should not be carried in a glove compartment regardless of whether the compartment is locked or not

 

[tops]

It is our recommendation that firearms should not be carried in a glove compartment regardless of whether the compartment is locked or not[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]

I am not a lawyer and only have a 3rd grade education but do you know of any cases where the person was charged with carrying concealed when the gun was in a locked glove compartment? What was the outcome of the trial?
Where else would one carry in a pickup?
Is a "recommendation" enforceable law and who is "our" that made the "recommendation".
I don't recommend that anyone take my advice because I'm dumb as a clam. Larry