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Gutpile Charlie
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Here's my "first glance" opinion.
How "AR" is this rifle? Yes it is piston driven as opposed to gas, and that's good, but what about compatibility with AR parts?
Also, MSRP seemed just a tad high? What about magazines? Were thoese AR mags? They certainly didn't say so. Not to be would be out of the box.
I'm going to have to call BS on this one. Just like the LCP and the new revolver...yeah...pretty good idea...but failed to hit the mark. I wasn't impressed with using TAPCO parts. Yes, I've bought some but they are not "main stream"....if you know what I mean?
What about just a regular Ruger AR? With their name, and if they could do a good job, it would sell.
I think Ruger is getting away from its real product base. What about Blackhawk single actions? No. 1 and No. 3 falling blocks? M77 bolt actions? What about some new, small wheelguns without locks and plastic parts?
What about products in blued steel and walnut? What about products without all the tupperware?
I for one will pay for quality.
I miss the "old Ruger". It was a company that you could always say had great products, innovative ideas, well made products and the most bang for the buck. That seems to have vanished?
How "AR" is this rifle? Yes it is piston driven as opposed to gas, and that's good, but what about compatibility with AR parts?
Also, MSRP seemed just a tad high? What about magazines? Were thoese AR mags? They certainly didn't say so. Not to be would be out of the box.
I'm going to have to call BS on this one. Just like the LCP and the new revolver...yeah...pretty good idea...but failed to hit the mark. I wasn't impressed with using TAPCO parts. Yes, I've bought some but they are not "main stream"....if you know what I mean?
What about just a regular Ruger AR? With their name, and if they could do a good job, it would sell.
I think Ruger is getting away from its real product base. What about Blackhawk single actions? No. 1 and No. 3 falling blocks? M77 bolt actions? What about some new, small wheelguns without locks and plastic parts?
What about products in blued steel and walnut? What about products without all the tupperware?
I for one will pay for quality.
I miss the "old Ruger". It was a company that you could always say had great products, innovative ideas, well made products and the most bang for the buck. That seems to have vanished?
Jerry in SC
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They smell money...
Forester
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8 pounds without the mag! Typical Ruger heavyweight.
gr8AmericanBash
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+1 P-Mags are serious AR mags
Andy Griffith
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With an MSRP of $1995 they are out of their ever loving minds!!!
Bill Ruger set out to design and make affordable firearms for responsible citizens. To think that Bill made a fortune doing just that, rather than on stock price rise and fall- and didn't have to borrow money to boot!
I think the "affordable" part of the slogan has been permanently shelved.
I may get flamed for this, but with Ruger's current run of luck, I'll be the first to bet that there will be a recall on it in the first three months of delivery. Don't get me wrong, I think they make some great products and own several, but pricing on this takes the cake!
$1000.00 needs to be shaved off the top of this today before anyone else sees it.
Bill Ruger set out to design and make affordable firearms for responsible citizens. To think that Bill made a fortune doing just that, rather than on stock price rise and fall- and didn't have to borrow money to boot!
I think the "affordable" part of the slogan has been permanently shelved.
I may get flamed for this, but with Ruger's current run of luck, I'll be the first to bet that there will be a recall on it in the first three months of delivery. Don't get me wrong, I think they make some great products and own several, but pricing on this takes the cake!
$1000.00 needs to be shaved off the top of this today before anyone else sees it.
2THOUSANDDOLLARS!!!!!?????
que "Emily Latella""......................
"NEVER MIND"
que "Emily Latella""......................
"NEVER MIND"
GatorFarmer
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Doesn't cost much more than a Sig 556. Piston driven AR type rifles are expensive. Save the CMMG model, which is cheaper, but I don't have one so can't tell you if it is any good.
Actual street price will probably be about what a Colt 6920 sells for. Shrug.
I already have a Sig 556, so I've got the piston business covered. Maybe I'd get a Ruger though, just to monkey with.
Actual street price will probably be about what a Colt 6920 sells for. Shrug.
I already have a Sig 556, so I've got the piston business covered. Maybe I'd get a Ruger though, just to monkey with.
You guys are looking at MSRP like it's street price. When's the last time you paid MSRP on an S&W? I'm not saying the price isn't high BUT it's gas piston, not direct impingement and as Gator pointed out, gas piston costs more. I paid $1700 for my Sig 556 (gas piston) and any other gas piston AR will be higher than it's DI counter part. If you haven't been following the trend lately you'll find AR prices across the board have gone up. I'm not trying to defend their price because ultimately the customer will decide if it's too high but don't freak out over MSRP unless that's the price you pay for all your other guns.
I think the big rush on EBR's has slowed significantly. I didn't pay MSRP for my Sig and unless you're at a gun show or greedy gun shop many EBR's sold the past couple months have been below MSRP. Not saying some guys didn't get screwed but the prices of November through February have calmed down...at least in my neck of the woods.
Thunderhawk88
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+1 I have a bunch of Rugers, but none of the new recall-models. Ruger just seems to be putting them out too fast, without working all the bugs out first.
Joni_Lynn
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It certainly is different from what they usually make but I like it. I've been wanting something about like that for awhile.
Since my GI days are over, I don't see the point in rails, rails, rails. My M4gery carries an optical sight (compact ACOG) and flashlight, and that's enough baggage. More weight I don't need, on me or my rifles. And I have a little less invested in my setup than the MSRP of the Ruger with iron sights only.
But anything that promotes wider use and acceptance of the AR can only help. Who knows, it might become the .30-30 of the 21st century.
But anything that promotes wider use and acceptance of the AR can only help. Who knows, it might become the .30-30 of the 21st century.
DJINCO
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For that price I could buy a Lever Action 44Mag and a Lever Action 357Mag.
IMHO more fun, and more useful.
I know, I know, the AR's are required to do the job against the hordes of Zombies.
IMHO more fun, and more useful.
I know, I know, the AR's are required to do the job against the hordes of Zombies.
crofoot629
Absent Comrade
Ruger is not who I'd be looking to spend 2K with on a 5.56 AR type platform.
Bushies will be $700 again soon, or I'd rather spend my money many other places/platforms. I'll be interested to see how the rifle shoots and holds up, but I'm sure as heck not their guinea pig.
And it's two pounds heavier then a 6920, no thanks.
Emory
Bushies will be $700 again soon, or I'd rather spend my money many other places/platforms. I'll be interested to see how the rifle shoots and holds up, but I'm sure as heck not their guinea pig.
And it's two pounds heavier then a 6920, no thanks.
Emory
CAJUNLAWYER
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What is the difference in the operating systems???? I thought they all used gas???
JD 500
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Originally posted by CAJUNLAWYER:
What is the difference in the operating systems???? I thought they all used gas???
Piston sits in between the gas block, where gas is bled from barrel, and the bolt ( Just like an AK-47 / Kalishnikov). This prevents the gas and carbon, etc, from entering the bolt. Bolt and action stay clean and cool. On a typical AR gas system, it is the gas itself that cycles the bolt/action and gas leaves the gun through the bolt /action.
With all that said, I'm not sure function is improved that much in your typical AR use, save Full auto.
klondike
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Where will they put all of the safety warnings?
2000Z-71
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I fondled it today at the Ruger booth during the NRA convention. Seems to be well made, standard AR parts with the exception of the bolt carrier and gas piston assembly. Basically Ruger is offering a "loaded" AR-15 with the rails, flip up sights, 3 mags, etc. Pricing wise it is competetive when you look at what it it comes with.
morsecode
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Reliability and price issues aside, it reminds me of Honda coming late to the party with their first cruiser style bike. Now they dominate the market.
Even if this clone is a big success I don't think Ruger will dominate the AR market, but with their dealer network and rabid fan base they could certainly put a dent in it. Again with the reliability and out-the-door price thing. I guess we'll know it's working if we start noticing tons of trade in mini -14's for sale.
Even if this clone is a big success I don't think Ruger will dominate the AR market, but with their dealer network and rabid fan base they could certainly put a dent in it. Again with the reliability and out-the-door price thing. I guess we'll know it's working if we start noticing tons of trade in mini -14's for sale.
I think it's the usual good Ruger quality, and typical overbuilt Ruger parts. But price point too high and will not move very fast. Too much competition, as everyone makes a AR clone.
CAJUNLAWYER
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Originally posted by JD 500:
Originally posted by CAJUNLAWYER:
What is the difference in the operating systems???? I thought they all used gas???
Piston sits in between the gas block, where gas is bled from barrel, and the bolt ( Just like an AK-47 / Kalishnikov). This prevents the gas and carbon, etc, from entering the bolt. Bolt and action stay clean and cool. On a typical AR gas system, it is the gas itself that cycles the bolt/action and gas leaves the gun through the bolt /action.
With all that said, I'm not sure function is improved that much in your typical AR use, save Full auto.
Isn't this how the Mini 14 works????
I always respected Ruger because they came out with many new innovative designs. Lately they have just been copying other manufacturers like Kel-tec. At least with the gas piston system they are a little different than most of the other AR-15s.
GatorFarmer
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What happened with the Colt M5 carbine anyway? It was a gas piston gun, and was also heavy. I remember seeing a bunch of write ups on them two or three years ago.
Originally posted by CAJUNLAWYER:
Isn't this how the Mini 14 works????
Yep. I'd presume the AR will be more accurate than the Mini is famous for, and they added the adjustable gas block - which you can also get for a Mini for about a hundred bucks.
And a bunch of rails. *finger twirl*
I'm underwhelmed. Extremely.
Almost every Ruger ever made is a copy of something...or at least "based on" a previous design.
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