Sierra Hotel
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the New York police seems to be accumulating a lot of civilian casualties. Maybe they should go back to revolvers AND LOTS OF TRAINING! That 8 lb. trigger ain't doing the job! Safety is in the mind! Not a heavy trigger pull.
"New York" trigger
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cmort666
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EIGHT pound?
I think you're off by about four pounds on the LOW side.
I didn't notice that my first Glock, a 22, had the "New York" trigger until after I took it home from the show. I couldn't get that piece of garbage out of it fast enough.
I bought a VA Beach Sheriff's Dept. surplus G19 later. It had an 8lb. connector in it, and was only marginally better to shoot.
I put Ghost 3.5lb. connectors in both of them and did the "$0.25 trigger job". Now both of them have safe, smooth trigger pulls that allow me to actually hit what I'm shooting at.
If you're so negligent with a handgun that you need a 12+ pound trigger pull in order not to accidentally shoot yourself or somebody else, you should take the advice of a 19th century governor of New York and carry a CLUB of the sort he wanted to issue to the state militia in lieu of rifles.
Faulkner
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It's likely not the trigger that's at issue.
Waywatcher
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NYPD is using the NY2 spring, which is supposed to be a 12 pound pull.
NYSP uses the NY1 spring which is supposed to be a 8 pound pull.
Standard Glock triggers are supposed to be a 5.5 pound pull.
I prefer the NY1 spring, for a few reasons. It makes me feel safer carrying it--more like a revolver trigger, it increases the trigger reset force, and it is more resilient and less likely to break versus a standard spring.
NYSP uses the NY1 spring which is supposed to be a 8 pound pull.
Standard Glock triggers are supposed to be a 5.5 pound pull.
I prefer the NY1 spring, for a few reasons. It makes me feel safer carrying it--more like a revolver trigger, it increases the trigger reset force, and it is more resilient and less likely to break versus a standard spring.
Just my two cents, but to me the NY1 trigger spring was never anything more than a perfectly good way to ruin an otherwise fairly clean breaking stock trigger with a concise reset.
Seriously, though. Why would anyone want a stacking trigger with lots of creep on a pistol such as a Glock?
Seriously, though. Why would anyone want a stacking trigger with lots of creep on a pistol such as a Glock?
To each his own, but it increased the trigger reset force a little too much for my liking when I still had a Glock 19. For me, it pushed the trigger well past the definite reset point when attempting to shoot controlled pairs. I wouldn't be making a gross exaggeration to describe it as "disconcerting"...
Besides, I always inspected the stock trigger return spring on every fieldstrip and replaced it at set intervals anyway.
Glock maintenance is cheap and easy.
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cmort666
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NYPD has a VERY long history of shooting the wrong people, and or shooting through the right people and hitting the wrong people. That's documented fact, and NYC has paid out mountains of cash because of it.
I can tell you what the world DOESN'T need, namely another citizen perforated because somebody didn't take his job... or the citizen's life seriously.
I can tell you what the world DOESN'T need, namely another citizen perforated because somebody didn't take his job... or the citizen's life seriously.
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Arik
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I own a NYPD 5946 and have no idea what this NY trigger is. It feels just like all the other 59XX police guns I've had. A little on the long side but smooth, not heavy, clean with a crisp break. Feels same as my Cleveland OH 5946.
I cant speak for their Glocks but my EDC is a G19 from somewhere around Miami and its a freaking great trigger....for a Glock
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I cant speak for their Glocks but my EDC is a G19 from somewhere around Miami and its a freaking great trigger....for a Glock
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Miami PD use the 8 pound connector in conjunction the stock trigger spring?
cmort666
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I think my VA Beach Sheriff's Dept. surplus G19 was set up that way (or something similar). I hated it from the start and put in a Ghost 3.5lb. connector, along with doing the "$0.25 trigger job", which I understand is also possible to perform on M&Ps and XDs.
cmort666
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It's specific to Glocks.
I've only shot two semi-autos with worse trigger pulls:
- Colt All American 2000 - WORST trigger on ANY name brand semi-auto I've EVER seen. It just stacks and stacks and stacks until you think it's never going to go off. It reminds me of dreams I've had where I need to shoot somebody, but the gun won't go off, no matter how hard I pull the trigger.
- Beretta 96D - Hideously bad. It's creepier than Michael Jackson and Jerry Sandusky running a Boy Scout camp.
Well, if we're referring to the recent shooting of the college student, that was on Long Island, and she was either shot by a Nassau County cop or a town cop. I know everyone thinks everytime they hear NY, they believe it's NYC, but in this case it isn't. NYPD was not involved at all.
cmort666
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You can try to use that as an excuse for shooting the wrong people.
It just won't work.
Faulkner
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New York, New York City, New Jersey, New Hampshire . . . I'm sure it makes a difference to somebody but to us southern boys it all seems the same.
mewisemajic
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I've never shot the Colt AA 2000 but the 96D has the most abysmal trigger I've ever had the displeasure of squeezing.
He is a Nassau County cop but is an NYPD veteran.
I thought the whole point of this thread was to denounce the NY1 and NY2 trigger springs as being worth less than the plastic and spring steel used to manufacture them.
But seriously... I think the shooting that sparked the OP was tragic and that the officer involved was not in an enviable position to begin with given the circumstances but if the information we've been provided is to be believed, this was not a "clean shooting" by any stretch of the imagination. I'll reserve judgement for when Nassau PD's internal affairs department concludes their investigation.
If anything, this flies in the face of the anti-RKBA crowd's arguments that "only professionals should be allowed to have firearms" and "only professionals like the police have the necessary training to safely use firearms."
But seriously... I think the shooting that sparked the OP was tragic and that the officer involved was not in an enviable position to begin with given the circumstances but if the information we've been provided is to be believed, this was not a "clean shooting" by any stretch of the imagination. I'll reserve judgement for when Nassau PD's internal affairs department concludes their investigation.
If anything, this flies in the face of the anti-RKBA crowd's arguments that "only professionals should be allowed to have firearms" and "only professionals like the police have the necessary training to safely use firearms."
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mewisemajic
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Some people like the NY1 spring with the "minus" connector but I don't know anyone who uses a NY2 trigger spring out of personal preference for it.
As for the officer involved in the shooting, I think with the information we have that he was in a must shoot position and he wasn't shooting paper at the range. I feel bad for everyone involved except the bad guy who should have been in jail anyway.
As for the officer involved in the shooting, I think with the information we have that he was in a must shoot position and he wasn't shooting paper at the range. I feel bad for everyone involved except the bad guy who should have been in jail anyway.
texmex
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Bottom feeding Semi Auto pistols encourage spray and pray. Another reason revolvers are better.
nachogrande
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PLEASE let's not let this turn into another N.Y./ YANKEE BASHING. second guessing is easy when you weren't there. any leo that graduates from any police academy has already rec'd more pistol training than most of us by far. they are not shooting at paper targets like us. it's a simple fact that under stress even normally good shots miss, A LOT. they are likely moving as well as the targets. an old landlord of mine was an NYPD SGT and he kept his 38 revolver with mold on the trigger and all. he got into a suicide by police shooting with 3 rookies with glocks. he fired once and hit the guy cm, the rookies emptied their mags, all misses and 1 second story window broken, they were on the sidewalk in queens.
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I have played with the NY-1 modules in my guns with the 5.5 connectors. While its not difficult for a trained shooter to make accurate shots, even under stress, it is hard to adjust to when coming from a 5.5. I have also tried it with the 3.5 and really didn't notice much difference or any real benefit myself. My M&P 45 is probable a pound or so heavier than a Glock 5.5 and I have no issues with it.
The real issue is probably trigger management and the need for increased training time. Police departments, large or small, don't always get the trigger time everyone needs to have on a regular basis, and qualifications and training are usually designed to meet minimum standards while adhering to budget constraints. Also, there are a lot of cops who aren't "gun" people, and trying to get someone to train on their own time, even dry fire therapy, is almost impossible. As a trainer, the only time I ever seem to get a lousy shooter's attention is when they fail to qualify - all those previous qualification courses where they barely shot the minimum score did not make them realize they needed to work harder. Whether you're a cop or a civilian legally carrying a firearm, that gun constitutes a major legal liability for you, criminal or civil, especially if you're not competent with it under any circumstance.
The real issue is probably trigger management and the need for increased training time. Police departments, large or small, don't always get the trigger time everyone needs to have on a regular basis, and qualifications and training are usually designed to meet minimum standards while adhering to budget constraints. Also, there are a lot of cops who aren't "gun" people, and trying to get someone to train on their own time, even dry fire therapy, is almost impossible. As a trainer, the only time I ever seem to get a lousy shooter's attention is when they fail to qualify - all those previous qualification courses where they barely shot the minimum score did not make them realize they needed to work harder. Whether you're a cop or a civilian legally carrying a firearm, that gun constitutes a major legal liability for you, criminal or civil, especially if you're not competent with it under any circumstance.
