No Lock smiths

[Dogmann]

I was only aware of One current production no-lock S&W revolver. I read that there are quite a few no lock S&W revolvers currently being made- is this true-
SW103043FC S&W 43C NO LOCK
SW103072FC S&W M&P340 1.875" 357 NO LOCK
SW103351FC S&W 351C 1.875" 22WMR NO LOCK
SW103810FC S&W 642 1.875" 38SPL NO LOCK
SW150544FC S&W 442 1.8725" 38SPL NO LOCK

 

[blackflag]

If they'd add 627 to the list, they'd have one more sale.

 

[snubbiefan]

What is the reasoning for producing these as NL weapons? Do they not have enough room in the weapon to add the lock?

ALL my Smith's are no-lock (even the one I bought last week)...do you folks think the value of the no-locks will go up, or will the issue simply eventually go away and not matter as time passes.

 

[Bullseye Smith]

As the price of the new ones go up so will the old, the lock doesn't lower the cost of the gun. I have both and have no problems. It was the same BS when the AR came out for high power, but now the M-14 and grand are in the closet now to take control of dust collection. Once you go Black (AR-15) you won't go back, and it is very true. I shot a Grand for a year just to learn how to shoot it, but it can't touch my RockRiver Match gun. The lock is here so get use to it, because it won't go away. RSR and a few others have ordered ones without, but the ones stright from the factory will have the lock installed in it.

 

[Mack]

What is the reasoning for producing these as NL weapons? Do they not have enough room in the weapon to add the lock?

ALL my Smith's are no-lock (even the one I bought last week)...do you folks think the value of the no-locks will go up, or will the issue simply eventually go away and not matter as time passes.

The reason is that the lock hurts sales on guns marketed for CCW. The lock is one more mechanical device subject to failure and useless to boot, not desireable on a weapon you might be staking your life on. Bottom line is if people want the lock to completely go away the way to make it happen is the stop buying S&W products that have it and make sure that they know it. If enough people sent S&W emails with photos of their new Ruger GP100 and a note saying "you know I really wanted a 686 but..." sooner or later you might get their attention. Hey, that might not be a bad idea, everybody send S&W pics of your Rugers! Too bad it won't work on dumping the MIM parts ;-).

 

[snubbiefan]

Well darn it Mister Moderator....I did not mean to contribute to another IL debate. I was just asking a question concerning the potential increase in value in NL vs. IL models. That is purely up to the purchaser whether it's a consideration or not, but I am glad all mine are NL so I don't need to have any mental struggle over the issue.

Bullseye....I was lucky enough to span the working lives of the M-1, M-14 and the M-16 in my short military career. Don't want to start a food-fight over this, but I understand they pulled the M-14 back out of the closet during the recent "desert wars" for some longer range shooting. I experienced the famous M-1 thumb during Basic and AIT training, graduated to the M-14 shortly thereafter and was in the first mess of the screwed-up jamming and poor performance of the M-16. I realize they fixed all that, but for me....if they ever start drafting old people...I hope they hand me an M-14.

 

[murphydog]

SF, you've raised a good question. The official story is that the factory has "leftover" frames to make the no-lock concealed hammer guns for the distributor runs. This makes sense for the 442/642s that have been produced since well before the lock, but I don't know if the 43C has a new purpose-built no-lock frame.

In the long term, the no-locks will "probably" be more collectible since they are more scarce, but this depends on the whims of fickle gun collectors, so who knows.

 

[Herknav]

Where does Juan find these "no-lock" models?

 

[snubbiefan]

Stealthy investigation, ignorance of the owner as to what they have....and sometimes by accident. I purchased a low-mileage one last week for less than I would have paid for a new IL model and I am still smiling.

 

[ladder13]

I believe all the no-lock guns are Centennials.

 

[turbo38gn]

The reason is that the lock hurts sales on guns marketed for CCW. The lock is one more mechanical device subject to failure and useless to boot, not desireable on a weapon you might be staking your life on. Bottom line is if people want the lock to completely go away the way to make it happen is the stop buying S&W products that have it and make sure that they know it. If enough people sent S&W emails with photos of their new Ruger GP100 and a note saying "you know I really wanted a 686 but..." sooner or later you might get their attention. Hey, that might not be a bad idea, everybody send S&W pics of your Rugers! Too bad it won't work on dumping the MIM parts ;-).

Mack... not sure I want to buy a GP100 or 101 to "send a message " to S&W.. think I'd rather just buy the IL gun and know it's still the best gun made for my purpose.. If it wasn't for a few here and there that overexaggerate the IL's possible negative effects, most guys wouldn't even know the IL was there. I said it before, I'll say it again, I own older non IL guns too.... THEY FAIL ... probably more than IL guns ever did..

 

[Bullseye Smith]

Well darn it Mister Moderator....I did not mean to contribute to another IL debate. I was just asking a question concerning the potential increase in value in NL vs. IL models. That is purely up to the purchaser whether it's a consideration or not, but I am glad all mine are NL so I don't need to have any mental struggle over the issue.

Bullseye....I was lucky enough to span the working lives of the M-1, M-14 and the M-16 in my short military career. Don't want to start a food-fight over this, but I understand they pulled the M-14 back out of the closet during the recent "desert wars" for some longer range shooting. I experienced the famous M-1 thumb during Basic and AIT training, graduated to the M-14 shortly thereafter and was in the first mess of the screwed-up jamming and poor performance of the M-16. I realize they fixed all that, but for me....if they ever start drafting old people...I hope they hand me an M-14.

The M-14 is the only rifle that the Navy has to dispatch to thier people, and since the jar heads don't have a Med. person ---sooooooo the Navy supply them and they carry a M-14 . BBBBBBBUUUUUTTTTTT I was talking about High Power Rifle Shooting Matches.

 

[snubbiefan]

I have a buddy that is a match-shooter. I think he still shoots the Garand. Goes all over the country doing it, but I have not seen him in a couple of years now. He was really hung-up into it pretty deep...Camp Pendleton and all that.