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Had it not been for NRA and their "extremist positions," and had it not been for the tremendous signing of new members in the months after the Newtown shooting, we would right now be required to undergo a background check if we bought a gun from our brother, the AR type rifles would be illegal to purchase, and larger than 10 round magazines would be illegal to purchase.

When the Senators and Representatives saw this backlash, they trembled in their boots. New gun control legislation, at least at the Federal level, became, and still is, a non-starter. Look at the onerous legislation in states such as Maryland, New York, etc. That would have happened at the Federal level if not for NRA.

The reason is that politicians fear the wrath of NRA. That is a good thing.

To those who say NRA supports candidates with whom you disagree on other issues, consider this: NRA is a single-issue pressure group. I don't want NRA to have an opinion on global warming, the budget, or any of the other half-dozen hot-button liberal vs. conservative issues. I want my NRA to do two things. Those are to support candidates who are gun-friendly and strike fear into the hearts of anti-gun candidates. They do a pretty good job of that.

Other points: LaPierre and the other top executives at NRA earned their salaries several times over in those months after Newtown. If the constant mailers and telephone calls were not effective fund-raisers, they would quit doing it. I don't like the intrusion either, but I got my name on the do not call list and haven't been bothered. I understand why they do it, though.

Finally, in my opinion, if you are truly a believer in 2nd Amendment rights, whatever your reason for not being a member, it isn't good enough.
 
redlevel, well said and right on the mark! All my best, Joe.
 
I don't believe in every single thing they do, but there is so much weight pulling in the opposite direction, that I thought it important enough to join to help pull back in our direction. Even if just one person like little ol me.
 
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I'm also not looking to start a fight or cause a problem but along the same lines look how many people here have hundreds of posts but won't contribute to this site. Someone awhile back was giving away a free membership if he could get 10 people to sign on. He struggled for quite awhile just to get ten sign ups with thousands of people using this site.

I also found that very sad!!!:)
 
The main function of the NRA though is to teach marksmanship.

I guess I should have been more specific. I should have said the NRA-ILA. Your statement is correct.

When you join the NRA you give them your name, your address and your phone number. In return they send you a magazine and some stickers. Your $35 donation covers that and the mailing that comes about every three month or so asking for donations. The info that you give them goes into a database. If you don't send any additional donations they start calling asking for donations. So the reality is your NRA membership just sets you up for the NRA-ILA fund raising efforts. The NRA's focus now is the ILA and their money raising lobby machine. The NRA is being used as a Judas goat to lead people to support the ILA which is a PAC. If the NRA was a seperate org. I wouldn't have any trouble supporting it, but it isn't. I used to support the NRA until I figured out what they were up to.

If one wants to finance political campaigns thru orgs like the ILA by all means do so. Personally I will do that thru a personal donation to the candidate of my choice and not someone elses. I know where the candidates stand on the issues and if they don't come across for me they don't get my vote again. That simple.
 
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If one wants to finance political campaigns thru orgs like the ILA by all means do so. Personally I will do that thru a personal donation to the candidate of my choice and not someone elses. I know where the candidates stand on the issues and if they don't come across for me they don't get my vote again. That simple.

I will certainly do so.

Contributing to a candidate personally is all well and good. I do so myself.

However, NRA/ILA is able to combine the $50 contributions from thousands and thousands of members. My $50 contribution to ILA, combined with similar donations from a few hundred thousand other members, makes it possible for NRA to target specific races. They don't, because of FEC rules, donate much money to candidates' campaign funds. What they can do, thanks to the SCOTUS decision in Citizens United vs. FEC, is to purchase "advocacy ads" on radio and tv, promoting pro-gun candidates, and exposing anti-gun candidates. I would expect these ads to start showing up right here in Georgia, where Michelle Nunn is mounting a serious campaign for the open Senate seat.

What is wrong, in your view, with members of an organization, whether it be NRA, NAACP, ACLU, or the Teamsters Union pooling their money to promote a particular candidate they feel is amicable to their policy positions?

I call it free speech. I call it "peaceable assembly" to "petition the government for a redress of grievances."

One definition of assembly is "the action of gathering together as a group for a common purpose."

I choose to gather together with ever how many millions of NRA members there are to make sure my government follows my wishes to the greatest extent possible.
 
Finally, in my opinion, if you are truly a believer in 2nd Amendment rights, whatever your reason for not being a member, it isn't good enough.
Estimated 240 to 270 million gun owners in the US. 4.3 million in the NRA.
You are out voted.

I am not a member. I wrote letters frequently to POTUS, uncle Joe, my senators and representatives, my state governor, my state reps, and members of any relevant committee. If I decide to join a group, it is a state level group. I don't donate to HSUS, but will to my local shelter. I wont donate to NRA, but will to local Pheasants Forever. National organizations tend to like high payrolls , high advertising, and take credit for all work, whether involved or not. I like to see my money work.

Membership in NRA is not required of anyone. Freedom of association implies freedom to not associate. This is a good enough reason.
 
The individual States have done more damage to the rights of gunowners than anything the Feds have attempted.I don't see anything the NRA did to try and prevent the newly enacted gun laws in Colorado.It was grassroots from start to finish.Two people recalled and one resigned!

The problems in Washington start in the States.If the right people are elected at the State level they will have the backbone to stand up against the Feds.Every post in the 2nd Amendment forum is about things being done on the State level.

While the 2nd Amendment is an issue with many here it shouldn't necessarily be at the top of one's list.That battle will surely be fought fiercely should the time come.Meanwhile over the last 10-15yrs the U.S. has severely declined in all aspects of life.

Your right to own firearms isn't the only freedom being attacked.If you prefer to live inside a box and can't think outside it then you deserve more than your guns taken away.

Gun restrictions are but a small fraction of the way we are being duped by our elected officials.

This is my opinion on things and while I respect the opinions of others my opinion is what it is.I don't care if anyone agrees or not.
 
While the 2nd Amendment is an issue with many here it shouldn't necessarily be at the top of one's list.

Sure it should inasmuch as Constitutional rights are concerned. After all, every other right and freedom we enjoy stems from the 2nd Amendment which grants us the ability to resist tyranny, or those who would deny us those rights and freedoms. You're not going to effectively oppose anything or anyone as a disarmed subject, that's for sure.
 
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db , very,very well said and I and many others fully agree. All my very best, Joe.
 
Boys, I belong to the NRA, have for many years. Do I agree with everything they do? Certainly not. I don't agree with everthing my Church does either. But I still think both institutions have "my best interest at heart." And in both cases we are sharing a "common ground and interest."

Think I'll just leave it at that.
 
Human beings are very complicated, no one is all good, all bad, all right or all wrong. One thing I have learned is that you can't tell other people what to think or what to do. I try not to be judgmental. It's not my job to tell others what to think or do.

I base my opinion and choose my friends and decide who to avoid by the way the treat me, the way they treat others, the way they treat animals, their honesty, their sense of humor, and their value system.

I don't make any decisions or for any opinions based on color, religion, politics, favorite color or shoe size.

I know that all sounds mighty high falutin but it is how I TRY to be. Not always successful but always tryin'.
 
I don't like hard core evangelism, not for my church and not for the NRA. I've never known it to work in either case.

Several years ago I was a member of a church that would send "evangelists" door to door. We would knock on your door and literally tell you "Come to Jesus or go to Hell." In all the years I did that I never saw a single person added to the church.

I have a coworker who used to give me pretty much the same spiel about the NRA. In fact he once actually told me that any gun owner who wasn't a member was a blood sucking leech on the backs of NRA members. If I wasn't a member that sure wasn't going to get me to join.

I spread the word about the NRA (when I do) the same way I spread The Word.

I'm honest about what I believe and I'm honest about where I stand. If my friends ask questions I answer them and if I get the chance I invite them to church or the range whichever is appropriate
 
Sure it should inasmuch as Constitutional rights are concerned. After all, every other right and freedom we enjoy stems from the 2nd Amendment which grants us the ability to resist tyranny, or those who would deny us those rights and freedoms. You're not going to effectively oppose anything or anyone as a disarmed subject, that's for sure.

Exactly.

Countless millions through history learned this lesson the hard way.
 
Sure it should inasmuch as Constitutional rights are concerned. After all, every other right and freedom we enjoy stems from the 2nd Amendment which grants us the ability to resist tyranny, or those who would deny us those rights and freedoms. You're not going to effectively oppose anything or anyone as a disarmed subject, that's for sure.

If all freedoms stem from the 2nd Amendment and it was that important (as you suggest) then why wasn't it written as the 1st Amendment.

How is the 4th Amendment protected by the 2nd? We have no knock raids on innocent people.Probable cause is subjective to the whim of the LEO.Roadblocks set up randomly for DUI checkpoints without probable cause to an individual.

How is the 10th Amendement protected by the 2nd? It seems that everyday the Federal Gov't has enacted a law or given itself the power to do things that were never given to it by the States.

The 2nd Amendment is a right that wasn't given to us by the Gov't and can't be taken away by the same.By the same token the 2nd Amendment provides a path that should only be used in extreme circumstances.The path to control of an overbearing Gov't system starts with the citizen at the state level.You control the States you will then control the Feds.
 
Lots of folks will strive hard to find some way .... any way they can .... to justify not spending money; even $25.00.

Gun owners not joining the NRA are similar to those "interested in politics" who don't vote.
 
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