Biku324. I have appreciate your knowledge, insights, and thoughts on the Ukrainian war. In this and other threads. I just wanted to get that in there before the lock down happens on this one. 
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Not a good time to command Russian troops
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Just change the names between the aggressor and defenders. That’s sounds like the German High Command description of the siege of Stalingrad. How did that work out?
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UncleEd
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Der Veminator,
Regarding the nuclear power plant in
southern Ukraine, press reports have
been clear that the shelling has NOT
been directly on the plant itself.
Stories indicate that the shelling from
BOTH SIDES has involved nearby towns.
But the dangers of a misdirected round
is what keeps the nuclear power station
staff so worried.
Regarding how many tanks have been
knocked out, reports have been clear
that the Russian tactics suck beyond
belief and ambushes have been quite
easy. The Russians apparently do not
screen their armor with infantry or
cavalry scouts. And the Russians have
allowed their armor to get caught in
bunches with drones showing their
positions.
As to comparisons with the Gulf War,
that war occurred in days, not months
and months, for scores on tanks.
As to reporting overall, many Western
journos are embedded with Ukraine
forces and much on-hand reporting has
been given.
Does The American Conservative have
its journos on the ground as well or
does it report the "facts" based on its
agenda alone?
Have the Ukrainians been good at
public relations with the Western journos.
You bet it has but that doesn't mean
their reports are to be totally rejected.
Regarding the nuclear power plant in
southern Ukraine, press reports have
been clear that the shelling has NOT
been directly on the plant itself.
Stories indicate that the shelling from
BOTH SIDES has involved nearby towns.
But the dangers of a misdirected round
is what keeps the nuclear power station
staff so worried.
Regarding how many tanks have been
knocked out, reports have been clear
that the Russian tactics suck beyond
belief and ambushes have been quite
easy. The Russians apparently do not
screen their armor with infantry or
cavalry scouts. And the Russians have
allowed their armor to get caught in
bunches with drones showing their
positions.
As to comparisons with the Gulf War,
that war occurred in days, not months
and months, for scores on tanks.
As to reporting overall, many Western
journos are embedded with Ukraine
forces and much on-hand reporting has
been given.
Does The American Conservative have
its journos on the ground as well or
does it report the "facts" based on its
agenda alone?
Have the Ukrainians been good at
public relations with the Western journos.
You bet it has but that doesn't mean
their reports are to be totally rejected.
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Der Verminator
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Not true......many reports have blamed the Russians.
These reports have been swallowed as true by many even though it would mean that the Russians were shelling themselves, since they occupied the plant.
Here's an example:
What Happens If Shelling Continues at Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Plant? - The New York Times
As someone else posted, truth is the first casualty of war.
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JJEH
Member
Apparently it's also not a good time to have dual citizenship. News is just coming out, but I don't foresee a good ending...
UncleEd
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Der Verminator
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The heaviest losses were in the first days of the hottest fighting.
The Russians were spread thin and totally disorganized.
Since their equipment maintenance is extremely poor, many tanks simply quit running and were destroyed by their crews to keep the Ukrainians from getting them.
As can be expected, the Ukrainians claimed to have destroyed such tanks.
And as usual in war........both sides are lying and the truth in numbers generally is somewhere in the middle.
Der Verminator
US Veteran
It happens, but not likely with artillery unless the power plant were under attack in close combat........which was not the case at that time.
Der Verminator
US Veteran
Right.
I don't think anything can be rejected from either side except the most obvious and ridiculous lies.........and there are many from both sides.
OP
LoboGunLeather
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UPDATE:
Started this thread on Sept. 26 at 9:35AM.
Now Sept. 28 at 9:28AM.
New reports indicate the new Russian troops are already in Ukraine, some killed, some captured.
Less than 48 hours. For new conscripts this means zero training or preparation. For prior service reserves this means no time for refresher training, intel briefings, anything.
Appalling.
Link: First new Russian military recruits already in Ukraine, says President's Office
Started this thread on Sept. 26 at 9:35AM.
Now Sept. 28 at 9:28AM.
New reports indicate the new Russian troops are already in Ukraine, some killed, some captured.
Less than 48 hours. For new conscripts this means zero training or preparation. For prior service reserves this means no time for refresher training, intel briefings, anything.
Appalling.
Link: First new Russian military recruits already in Ukraine, says President's Office
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Der Verminator
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Here's a good example of the information problem.
Independent source has it at about a thousand Russian tanks destroyed.
Ukrainians claim over two thousand.
Our Media generally go with whatever Ukraine says.
Russia does not comment on battle losses.
Russian Tank Losses in Ukraine Hit 1,000 – Open Source Analysis
- The Moscow Times
Independent source has it at about a thousand Russian tanks destroyed.
Ukrainians claim over two thousand.
Our Media generally go with whatever Ukraine says.
Russia does not comment on battle losses.
Russian Tank Losses in Ukraine Hit 1,000 – Open Source Analysis
- The Moscow Times
Looks live the pool of Russian MAMs is shrinking.
But what he went on to say may seriously strain Kazakhstan’s ties with its giant northern neighbour and former imperial master.
Tokayev instructed his government to help tens of thousands of Russian men that flooded his nation because of the chaotic and massive partial military mobilisation for the war in Ukraine.
Almost 100,000 Russians have entered Kazakhstan since September 21, when Russian President Vladimir Putin announced the mobilisation, the Kazakh interior ministry said on Tuesday.
Putin’s Central Asian allies embrace Russians fleeing draft | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera
Sold out flights. Border crossings backed up for kilometers. For Russians fleeing President Vladimir Putin's partial military mobilization, it's not so easy to get out.
Georgia remains one of the few exits left, with long lines of cars stretching for kilometers at the only crossing from Russia into Georgia at Verkhny Lars-Zemo Larsi. (Unconfirmed reports on September 26 suggested that Russia may be moving to close the crossing to most Russian men.)
Live Briefing: Russia's Invasion Of Ukraine
RFE/RL's Live Briefing gives you all of the latest developments on Russia's ongoing invasion, Kyiv's counteroffensive, Western military aid, global reaction, Russian protests, and the plight of civilians. For all of RFE/RL's coverage of the war, click here.
Many Russians trying to get into Georgia have been taking to social media to ask questions, seek advice, and share their experiences.
"We got in today. There are three of us in the family, including my husband (34 years old). They did not ask anything either on our side or on the Georgian side [of the border]," said one Russian in a Telegram chat devoted to the Verkhny Lars-Zemo Larsi border crossing. "The wait is very long! We got in line at 17:00 in the evening and we entered Georgia at 11:00 [the next day]. Stock up on water and food."
But many Georgians apparently have little sympathy. "You are only worried about not being killed in Ukraine. You had seven months to speak out against the war, but until they knocked on your door, you supported Putin," one person posted in the chat group. 'The Country Is In Trouble. When Will You Return?': Russians Fleeing To Georgia Share Their Experiences Of Getting Out
But what he went on to say may seriously strain Kazakhstan’s ties with its giant northern neighbour and former imperial master.
Tokayev instructed his government to help tens of thousands of Russian men that flooded his nation because of the chaotic and massive partial military mobilisation for the war in Ukraine.
Almost 100,000 Russians have entered Kazakhstan since September 21, when Russian President Vladimir Putin announced the mobilisation, the Kazakh interior ministry said on Tuesday.
Putin’s Central Asian allies embrace Russians fleeing draft | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera
Sold out flights. Border crossings backed up for kilometers. For Russians fleeing President Vladimir Putin's partial military mobilization, it's not so easy to get out.
Georgia remains one of the few exits left, with long lines of cars stretching for kilometers at the only crossing from Russia into Georgia at Verkhny Lars-Zemo Larsi. (Unconfirmed reports on September 26 suggested that Russia may be moving to close the crossing to most Russian men.)
Live Briefing: Russia's Invasion Of Ukraine
RFE/RL's Live Briefing gives you all of the latest developments on Russia's ongoing invasion, Kyiv's counteroffensive, Western military aid, global reaction, Russian protests, and the plight of civilians. For all of RFE/RL's coverage of the war, click here.
Many Russians trying to get into Georgia have been taking to social media to ask questions, seek advice, and share their experiences.
"We got in today. There are three of us in the family, including my husband (34 years old). They did not ask anything either on our side or on the Georgian side [of the border]," said one Russian in a Telegram chat devoted to the Verkhny Lars-Zemo Larsi border crossing. "The wait is very long! We got in line at 17:00 in the evening and we entered Georgia at 11:00 [the next day]. Stock up on water and food."
But many Georgians apparently have little sympathy. "You are only worried about not being killed in Ukraine. You had seven months to speak out against the war, but until they knocked on your door, you supported Putin," one person posted in the chat group. 'The Country Is In Trouble. When Will You Return?': Russians Fleeing To Georgia Share Their Experiences Of Getting Out
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DOS just told AMCITs to leave Russia immediately.
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Commercial flight options are extremely limited at present and are often unavailable on short notice. Overland routes by car and bus are still open. If you wish to depart Russia, you should make independent arrangements as soon as possible. The U.S. Embassy has severe limitations on its ability to assist U.S. citizens, and conditions, including transportation options, may suddenly become even more limited.
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Der Verminator
US Veteran
There are indications of heightened tensions.
Is there such a thing as a SMALL nuclear strike?
Seems like any nuclear strike would be pretty substantial--both politically and in physical damage.
U.S. Fears Late Detection of Russian ‘Micro-Nuke’ Attack on Ukraine – Politico - The Moscow Times
Is there such a thing as a SMALL nuclear strike?
Seems like any nuclear strike would be pretty substantial--both politically and in physical damage.
U.S. Fears Late Detection of Russian ‘Micro-Nuke’ Attack on Ukraine – Politico - The Moscow Times
Et Tu Putsky ?
"Try some of this almond vadka!" - the oligarchs
UncleEd
Member
Retired Lt. Gen Ben Hodges, former
commander of the U.S. Army in
Europe, warns a replacement for
Putin could be worse.
"No shortage of super-hawk right-wing
nationalists," he says.
If a negotiated end to the war occurs,
he believes things will remain the same
in Russia. Only total defeat of its
army in Ukraine will be of any value,
he believes.
commander of the U.S. Army in
Europe, warns a replacement for
Putin could be worse.
"No shortage of super-hawk right-wing
nationalists," he says.
If a negotiated end to the war occurs,
he believes things will remain the same
in Russia. Only total defeat of its
army in Ukraine will be of any value,
he believes.
I don't know that winter is his ally. Maybe to some degree, but it did not help him when the war began last February.
To his new reserve troops that will be getting killed on the front line, winter will kill their morale. I predict the troops will be sabotaging equipment and deserting so fast they get windburn. Especially since they can get asylum in Ukraine
Der Verminator
US Veteran
That's a good guess, and you could be right.
I have to wonder if asylum in Ukraine is such a pleasant prospect........since the Ukrainians will be suffering without heat and electricity and food........maybe not so much........in fact, Ukrainians may be hostile.
Here's my guess.
Putin is doing the Ali Shuffle and the Rope a Dope right now.
He won't do much this winter.
He'll back off and let winter do most of the work for him.......as he continues to turn the Ukraine to rubble with rockets and artillery.
As for those new troops, there will be traitors and there will be loyal sons of Mother Russia who will train during the winter and be ready for a spring offensive.
Meanwhile, support for Ukraine in the EU will falter as they suffer the worst winter in their recorded history as Russia shuts off gas for heat.
The U.S. taxpayer will be asking how much we are going to spend to rescue the Ukrainians........and thinking the cost is too great.
Spring will bring new attitudes.
Portions of the east and south Ukraine will be ceded to the Russians as part of a peace agreement.
Everyone will declare victory.
Putin will have his Black Sea Oil and Ukraine will have their freedom.
Is my guess any better than your guess?
Time will tell.
cadmike
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As a good number of EU nations are also members of NATO, the thought of them losing interest in this war is frankly absurd. They joined NATO for a reason.
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