Not Welcome in MD

[bluegrassarms]

I don't know what would happen if someone refused the search.

If they ever stop me on my way through we'll find out b/c I'll sure refuse it.

jtpur - I also wonder if he didn't know about the CCW prior to the stop. In Ky the police know off the license search, if he was able to get from the plates to the license prior to the stop it's a very good question if that's why it happened at all, figuring there may be a contraband gun.

It's one my lawyer would ask in discovery were that me who was stopped. Just what info did the officer have prior to making the decision to stop me?

 

[aaorb104]

SC doesn't recognize GA's Weapons License. To legally travel with a handgun in SC, I believe I would have to unload the firearm and separate it from its ammunition. SC is the only state bordering GA that doesn't reciprocate with us.

No I was pulled over last year in SC on a routine traffic stop and was asked if I was carring any weapons, I told the officer I had a CCW from FL and my weapon was in my glove box. He told me that was fine and that i did not need a CCW to carry it in my Glove Box in SC.

 

[ma deuce]

We have no crime at all here in the People's Free State, and we aim to keep it that way. All you gun owners outside our borders should keep your evil guns and your evil selves out there in America and don't disturb our peace.

 

[islamoradamark]

thats crazy i would have reported him. checking door panels and tossing car for having FL plates guess he was board. he needs a good job like writing parking tickets

 

[atheophilos]

I live in PA and travel through Maryland on my way home to VA often. This very thing really concerns me.

 

[steamloco76]

I live in PA and travel through Maryland on my way home to VA often. This very thing really concerns me.

I was regularly visiting friends in VA for a while, The route only had me in MD for about 16 miles and I would always see MD State Police on that short section.The last couple trips I stopped a couple miles from the border in WV, unloaded my CCW, put the ammo in the truck box and the empty, open gun in a case under the back seat. Once into VA I would re-load and re-arm. Pain for just a few miles, but it beats a felony rap.

 

[Old cop]

Reading through all this it appears the officer was wrong in his actions and should be sanctioned for it. I do have to object to the term Gestapo when applied to American law enforcement. If you read your history you'll see that it does not fit, we are not Nazis.

 

[shouldazagged]

Reading through all this it appears the officer was wrong in his actions and should be sanctioned for it. I do have to object to the term Gestapo when applied to American law enforcement. If you read your history you'll see that it does not fit, we are not Nazis.

Somehow I overlooked that characterization, which is not like me. I also object to it. The Nazi stuff gets thrown around pretty carelessly these days, and as a student of history with memories of WWII it bothers me.

 

[redlevel]

Reading through all this it appears the officer was wrong in his actions and should be sanctioned for it. I do have to object to the term Gestapo when applied to American law enforcement. If you read your history you'll see that it does not fit, we are not Nazis.

Somehow I overlooked that characterization, which is not like me. I also object to it. The Nazi stuff gets thrown around pretty carelessly these days, and as a student of history with memories of WWII it bothers me.

I used the term mostly as hyperbole. Actually, I have a Masters Degree in History. I am well aware of how the Gestapo operated. They detained people for no reason, harassed them and terrorized families by separating them and questioning them separately, and bullying people by saying things such as "You're a liar. You're lying to me. Your family says you have it. Where is the gun? Tell me where it is and we can resolve this right now."

Consider my characterization amended to something like, "The Maryland Officers were guilty of using Gestapo-like tactics."

I am a retired teacher. Fifty or sixty years ago, teachers and police officers were some of the most well respected and trusted people in the community. There have been just enough bad actors in both professions to cause that to be reversed. In fact, teachers and police officers are now some of the most reviled members of society. I hate it that I can no longer really trust teachers to do right by the school-age members of my family. I also hate it that I have to advise my grown daughter to never volunteer anything more than absolutely necessary to any LEO, and never, ever to consent to a search.

 

[forrestinmathews]

Anyone who is trying to imprison a non threatening citizen of another state while on a peaceable journey is a Gestapo-like agent of tyranny and should himself be disarmed and stripped of any and all authority.

The message is clear the Maryland is in the business of infringement upon the rights of her subjects and all who dare to pass through. She is looking to subjugate tourists and motorists with her storm troops. Stay out if you can and if you can't, decide which way you're going to play it.

It is a sad day when corrupt government turns honest men into outlaws with unconstitutional law.

 

[islamoradamark]

i agree thats why i moved out of that state 35 years ago now it seems to be getting worse. i try not to go to unfriendly gun states. same reason i dont do bizz at stores that say no firearms allowed i tell everyone i know why put yourself and family at risk i can spend hundreds in this other state on vacation with my family, the same goes for stores

 

[kip_j]

I didn't see anywhere in the article that the Maryland LEO asked for Filippidi's CCW card, nor did Filippidi voluntarily submit it.

I was taught in CCW class (here in Michigan, at least) that if you are stopped for any reason you should surrender your CCW card as well as the other standard pieces of ID that the cops demand; license, registration, and proof of insurance, and that's regardless of whether or not you're carrying your firearm with you.

 

[Ransom]

I didn't see anywhere in the article that the Maryland LEO asked for Filippidi's CCW card, nor did Filippidi voluntarily submit it.

I was taught in CCW class (here in Michigan, at least) that if you are stopped for any reason you should surrender your CCW card as well as the other standard pieces of ID that the cops demand; license, registration, and proof of insurance, and that's regardless of whether or not you're carrying your firearm with you.

It is not necessary in Michigan to show your CCW permit if you are not carrying (see Handgunlaw.us). In Missouri you don't even need to inform an officer when you are carrying. I've thought this one over a lot and read pros and cons about informing and come to the conclusion it is best to say nothing more than the state laws require. To say more is to invite further scrutiny.

 

[Kadonny]

It is not necessary in Michigan to show your CCW permit if you are not carrying (see Handgunlaw.us). In Missouri you don't even need to inform an officer when you are carrying. I've thought this one over a lot and read pros and cons about informing and come to the conclusion it is best to say nothing more than the state laws require. To say more is to invite further scrutiny.

I think some are getting a little carried away. This was one officer in one incident from what I see.

Also, if I'm in another state and get pulled over and don't have my gun on me or in the car, I'm not showing the officer my CCW permit. Same goes for my home state, PA. If I get stopped and don't have my gun on me or in the car, I'm not showing my CCW permit either. Now if I do get stopped while I have the gun with me, you better bet I'm showing that officer my CCW permit at the same time I show him my license and registration even though I'm not required to by law.

 

[Ransom]

Now if I do get stopped while I have the gun with me, you better bet I'm showing that officer my CCW permit at the same time I show him my license and registration even though I'm not required to by law.

Interesting. What made you decide to inform the officer even though you are not required to?

 

[Kadonny]

Interesting. What made you decide to inform the officer even though you are not required to?

Based on the round table discussion we had with various law enforcement officers at my CCW class and some informal discussions I've had with LEO freinds. The bottom line is in a state that is very gun friendly, most officers actually appreciate you showing them the CCL up front rather than finding out about it later on in the process. The more info they have up front, it allows them to make better decisions about you. If you are a law abiding citizen who has a CCL and you are carrying a gun properly, then there is no worry.

I'll choose full disclosure up front rather than something happening for whatever reason and him finding out later. The last thing I want is a gun pointed at me by him because he doesn't have enough information about me.

Just my personal opinion.

 

[Frizzman]

I don't know anyone in Delaware or Maryland and have no reason to cross into those states. If I have to go to the Northeast, I go to the trouble to go around. I will not contribute a cent to either state...He needed to discuss what his wife would do in such a case. The treatment was stupid but once it starts, it usually continues until the officer(s) is satisfied. I would be unhappy about that much of my resources wasted on such a traffic stop. They must have too many officers with too little to do. Were I a supervisor in that agency I would not be happy. While they were tied up on that, who knows how much actual criminal behavior was passing by?...DUMB!

 

[ladder13]

Detained for 90 minutes on the side of the road, subjected to pat-down searches, automobile emptied out and searched, all without probable cause or warrant? I call this an illegal arrest and unreasonable search, clear violations of this family's Constitutional rights.

Time to fire up the legal machine, let those bozos spend a few years marching back and forth to depositions and court hearings while they learn just how difficult it can be to get a mortgage or car loan while your credit report shows a pending multi-million dollar federal civil rights lawsuit. Then it will be the time to take their pension funds and file garnishments on their paychecks for the rest of their lives.

Examples need to be made.

Totally agree, people need to suffer all the consequences of their illegal actions. Enough of this garbage.

 

[ladder13]

Blame the agency and hold the officer personally accountable for violating this man's rights. This was clearly an illegal search and attempted seizure, without any probable cause, performed by an idiot who should clearly be stripped of any and all authority, unless this kind of tyranny and fear is what the great state of Maryland wants to impart on all who pass through her borders. Say what you will, but people like that need to be removed from positions of authority, for the safety of the public. What if this genius had shot the motorist during his warrior cop tyranny stop? Or done some other physical harm? We the people should not live in fear of the government. Quite the contrary.

Amen^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[jtpur]

If they ever stop me on my way through we'll find out b/c I'll sure refuse it.

jtpur - I also wonder if he didn't know about the CCW prior to the stop. In Ky the police know off the license search, if he was able to get from the plates to the license prior to the stop it's a very good question if that's why it happened at all, figuring there may be a contraband gun.

It's one my lawyer would ask in discovery were that me who was stopped. Just what info did the officer have prior to making the decision to stop me?

Yep I agree and that is what I tried to convey. He found out as he tailed the FL guy running his plates. He'll you can do the same with a program called auto track. Run my tag and it comes back with all data entered into public records. Even when a state blocks CCW from public records law enforcement has access to those records? I believe the driver was stopped because the Officer learned via radio that our guy had a CCW. Hence guns are illegal in MD and hence Florida guy may be packin. As I said a hangin offense.