NOW if we could only have Charlton Heston rather than Ted Nugent!

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It's all very debatable about TN "dodging" the draft.

A lot is Myth or lore. He had a college deferment.

The whole BS story in High Times or whatever, believe what you want. It doesn't matter.

No he doesn't relate to todays Hip Hop/Rap Culture kids. They never knew who he was.

Tom Seleck is to busy making millions and selling TV ads to be bothered

Where is Chuck Norris?:D
 
I don't trust any celebrity's public politics, and I have no idea how much of Nugent's shtick is genuine and how much is part of his attempt to keep himself interesting with his target audience.

But as far as the 2nd Amendment is concerned, the math is simple.

The people who cheer him on for the kind of over-the-top stuff that the OP quoted (Soulless? What does that even mean?) obviously don't need to be won over.

And for everybody else, he is the poster child for every yahoo stereotype that anti-gunners are trying to pin on us. If you want to convince people that gun owners are immature, aggressive, unstable, and shouldn't be trusted with guns, all you have to do is show them video of some Ted Nugent rants.

A guy who may be on the fence about gun rights hears Ted Nugent of all people rant about the NRA being just good American families, and thinks "Yeah, right".

If I were prone to conspiracy theories, I'd almost think he gets paid to make us look bad.
 
Watchdog said:
I don't see why not. Every time the subject of Jane Fonda comes up, forum members hoot and holler about her for days and days. Nugent is no different, far as I'm concerned. He's fair game, a term he should appreciate.

His membership on the NRA Board of Directors cuts absolutely no ice with me, either. His obscenity-laden tirades against anyone he deems less of a "real man" or a "true American" than he is do not present a really positive representative image of the NRA to a public that doesn't know any better. Personally, I don't want to be painted with the same brush as Ted Nugent.





Not any more, he isn't. Ted Nugent is so far removed from the kids of 2018 and their music, he may as well be on another planet.

His remaining audience may still consist of pockets of midwestern teenage boy metal head bangers
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...and maybe some oldsters who can still remember the lyrics to such classics
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as Cat Scratch Fever...but that's about it.

Alas, poor Ted. Out of his time and way out of his depth.
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While I don't like him for antisemitic remarks he was nothing like Fonda
 
A good point has been brought up here. The Anti gunners will
ally with any one that helps their agenda. No matter how far out
the issue is. Us conservatives seem to want to pick at things that
are more or less trivial to the big picture. Just the opposite of
the Left's SOP. We need to get over this nit-picking and all pull
together. People like Ted are a little crude and not polished as
Heston, but are actually saying what most of us feel. We are all
in this together and shouldn't let personal issues get in the way.
 
Drm50 said:
The Anti gunners will ally with any one that helps their agenda. No matter how far out the issue is. Us conservatives seem to want to pick at things that are more or less trivial to the big picture. Just the opposite of the Left's SOP. We need to get over this nit-picking and all pull together. People like Ted are a little crude and not polished as Heston, but are actually saying what most of us feel. We are all in this together and shouldn't let personal issues get in the way.
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It isn't a case of sticking together, it's a case of advertising. It's common sense--our "brand's" spokesperson should be calm, articulate, and persuasive. The spokesperson doesn't need to make us feel togetherness, he/she needs to persuade the undecided of our righteousness.

So, when some famous guy comes out and talks about something to do with the 2nd amendment, he becomes a representative of my rights. And I want someone that can help ensure my rights, not someone that makes me embarrassed to be a gun owner. I'm sure there are people that feel the same way about other Hollywood actors that take up causes--they do more harm than good sometimes.

And as for "The Anti gunners will ally with any one that helps their agenda," I am very concerned about foreign money coming into my country to support any cause. That is a problem that is going to hurt our cause badly if a certain group doesn't end the practice very publicly and quickly.
 
Rule3 said:
A quote from Ted.
He may be right but has no finesse!


"The dumbing down of America is manifested in the culture deprivation of our academia that have taught these kids the lies, media that have prodded and encouraged and provided these kids lies," Nugent said (hear audio below). "I really feel sorry for them because it's not only ignorant and dangerously stupid, but it's soulless."
He added: "To attack the good law-abiding families of America when well-known predictable murderers commit these horrors is deep in the category of soulless. These poor children, I'm afraid to say this and it hurts me to say this, but the evidence is irrefutable, they have no soul... These children can't be critical of any of the propaganda that they're fed and that's just sad."

Ted also defended the NRA after Pagliarulo played a clip of Emma Gonzalez, one of the march organizers, speaking to CNN about politicians accepting "blood money" from the gun rights organization.
"The level of ignorance goes beyond stupidity," Nugent said. "Again, the National Rifle Association are a bunch of American families who have a voice to stand up for our God-given, Constitutionally-guaranteed right to keep and bear arms. We have no blood on our hands. No NRA member have ever been involved in any mass shootings at all, in fact the National Rifle Association is the lone organization that has taught firearm safety in schools, and for law enforcement, and for military, and for children's organizations and family organizations around the country for 100 years. So once again, this poor pathetic individual is a liar."
He added: "All you have to do now is feel sorry for the liars. You have to go against them and pray that the lies can be crushed and the liars can be silenced so that real measures can be put into place to actually save children's lives."
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Charlton Heston had class, Ted Nugent doesnt. But is at least on our side.
 
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I thought he died a year after Obama was re-elected.

Not a fan of poopie pants Ted. He might not have done it but he sure as shootin' said it.
 
Stop all the rhetoric . . .

turnerriver said:
. . The NRA has nothing to do with any unlawful, unethical or immoral use of a firearm. They never have and never will represent anyone but law abiding firearms owners. They have nothing to do with any mass shooting, crime or misuse of a firearm and have everything to do with the lawful pursuit and enjoyment of shooting sports.
The NRA represents the law abiding firearm owner, period.
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I took some liberties with turnerriver's quote, but if everyone, including 2nd amendment supporting politicians, celebrity gun-rights advocates and the NRA itself would simply memorize the above and calmly repeat it when challenged, the antis would have to shut up, because there's simply nothing there to argue with. Thanks for listening,
Doug
 
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