The more I read about this the more I think I'll use the Nyclads mainly for the reduced recoil for my wife. I'm not sure if it will be any real benefit for overpentration but I'll just have to be careful. Another issue is that the new Nyclads don't really have a track record yet but after reading Greg Ellifritz's research on stopping power of the common pistol rounds I am less concerned. Thanks to all who posted here .This is an excellent site for getting good advice from serious folks.
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The more I read about this the more I think I'll use the Nyclads mainly for the reduced recoil for my wife. I'm not sure if it will be any real benefit for overpentration but I'll just have to be careful. Another issue is that the new Nyclads don't really have a track record yet but after reading Greg Ellifritz's research on stopping power of the common pistol rounds I am less concerned. Thanks to all who posted here .This is an excellent site for getting good advice from serious folks.
Just remember, you'll mainly get opinions parroted from gun magazines, when you ask about terminal performance on an internet forum. Most have never done, or even watched any actual testing, and recommend whatever brand their favorite writer has been bribed to tout.
Over-penetration as a problem, was largely invented by the the frangible ammunition makers, and their paid writers. The more real problem, was under-penetration. Focusing on the possibility of unintended victims from rounds over-penetrating targets, while ignoring the majority of rounds missed those targets, and those that hit, weren't penetrating enough to stop the threat, caused more rounds to be fired, and got cops and civilians killed.
Thankfully, law enforcement learned from their mistakes, and largely stopped taking advice from unqualified gunwriters with financial agendas, and discredited mythical "studies". Unfortunately, the lure of magic bullets, and "documented one shot stops", still feeds the Walter Mitty's minds, and sells expensive ammo to the public, that doesn't work.
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Pat's on the money (as usual). The new Nyclad standard pressure ammo will work fine for your purposes. The Nyclad won't separate because it's NOT jacketed. It'll give you good penetration, good expansion and low recoil for your wife........Obviously some folks didn't read the part about 'reduced recoil for the wife' and keep plugging their favorite +P loads.
I clocked some of the original NyClad 125gr standard pressure loads in a 4" Model 10 and got something like 960FPS. The new stuff is SUPPOSEDLY the same but I haven't had a chance to check any. I suspect at that speed its not going to leave the body.
(They hit over 1000fps in a 6" K-38.)
Regards,
Pat
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Do you have some testing data you could share? The two times I've shot it into properly calibrated 10% ordinance gelatin, the penetration results were mediocre at best.
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I would be very skeptical of using the current 125 gr Nyclad
loading in anything. I fired this round from a 4" K38 into
water filled milk jugs and found the penetration to be only
one jug. The 110 +P+ 38s went deeper. The 125 Nyclads are nothing
I would trust. For low recoil, accuracy and decent penetration
.....148 wads.
loading in anything. I fired this round from a 4" K38 into
water filled milk jugs and found the penetration to be only
one jug. The 110 +P+ 38s went deeper. The 125 Nyclads are nothing
I would trust. For low recoil, accuracy and decent penetration
.....148 wads.
one eye joe
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I saw some good tests of Nyclad. I believe they might have been on YouTube........
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Interesting thread. The guy is concerned about ammo for an apartment defense gun and we end up looking for maximum penetration ammo. Ugh.
If you want maximum penetration, just load up with ball ammo. That junk should go through three or four people easy (and a couple of walls too).
If you want maximum penetration, just load up with ball ammo. That junk should go through three or four people easy (and a couple of walls too).
Thanks. I found a couple of videos on YouTube that showed expansion in water and ballistic gelatin. One had chronograph results.
I checked Marshall and Sanow's " Stopping Power " book which had a comparison of 38 Special rounds out of 2" snubs. The one shot stop %ages ranged from 49% to 67%. The 125 Nyclad standard pressure round was at 63% with an average penetration of 10.4" and average recovered diameter of .54". It seems to compare well with the other rounds tested including the +P rounds. If this is accurate the Nyclads appear about as effective as the others. The problem is that the new Nyclads are apparently not exactly the same as the original Nyclads so there is no track record for them.
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7 shooter, I'm glad you were able to find the videos. I have recently switched to the Speer 135 gr JSWCHP, in .38Spl +P. It's made specifically for short barrels, expands and penetrates well, features low flash and recoil. I carry it in my S&W 642 and 2 1/2" 686+. Check YouTube for tests of this. You may like it even better than Nyclad. I do.......
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Interesting thread. The guy is concerned about ammo for an apartment defense gun and we end up looking for maximum penetration ammo. Ugh.
If you want maximum penetration, just load up with ball ammo. That junk should go through three or four people easy (and a couple of walls too).
I have to respectfully disagree with your statement. We are looking
for adequate penetratrion here, not over penetration. The 125 Nyclad
may not penetrate deep enough. Sorry, but no 38 penetrates that well to go through 3 people. Ball ammo also does not over penetrate in as many calibers as is thought. There are many, many accounts of 38 158 RNL staying inside...most famously examples being Lee Oswald and JD Tippit. Great for defense....not really, but not as "overpenetrating" as some think.
In 38+P go with the FBI load.
Standard pressure go with 148 Wads or 158 SWC.
Both loads have excellent accuracy, controllability and
will do their job if you do yours.
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