OK, which is it?

[Art Doc]

Do you say "I have two Victories" or would it correctly be "Victorys?"

Same with "Heavy Duties" or "Heavy Dutys."

We are discussing proper names so I think it should Victorys and Heavy Dutys even though it looks wrong from a grammatical standpoint.

I guess we could play it safe and say Victory Models and Heavy Duty revolvers...

 

[Muss Muggins]

(edit: changed my mind)

I like your last solution.

 

[glowe]

Depends on whether you are referring to the possessive case or to multiple revolvers??

Here is the rule I like:

If the word ends in a vowel (a,e,i,o,u) + y then just add s.
boy/boys, journey/journeys, key/keys, tray/trays.

If the word ends in a consonant + y then y changes to -ies
country/countries, baby/babies, body/bodies, memory/memories, sky/skies, variety / varieties...

Please note that you don't use spelling rules with proper names just make sure you use a capital letter.

 

[tcon]

Depends on whether you are referring to the possessive case or to multiple revolvers??

Here is the rule I like:

If the word ends in a vowel (a,e,i,o,u) + y then just add s.
boy/boys, journey/journeys, key/keys, tray/trays.

If the word ends in a consonant + y then y changes to -ies
country/countries, baby/babies, body/bodies, memory/memories, sky/skies, variety / varieties...

Please note that you don't use spelling rules with proper names just make sure you use a capital letter.

If I was ever taught that rule, it was forgotten. Good rule. Noted, remembered.

 

[smith17]

I have two Woodsmans. ....or Woodsmen.

 

[Warren Sear]

Depends on whether you are referring to the possessive case or to multiple revolvers??

Here is the rule I like:

If the word ends in a vowel (a,e,i,o,u) + y then just add s.
boy/boys, journey/journeys, key/keys, tray/trays.

If the word ends in a consonant + y then y changes to -ies
country/countries, baby/babies, body/bodies, memory/memories, sky/skies, variety / varieties...

Please note that you don't use spelling rules with proper names just make sure you use a capital letter.

OK, sounds good, but I'm pretty sure "grip" is also a noun...

 

[glowe]

Not the way I use it!

 

[Tom K]

I have two Woodsmans. ....or Woodsmen.

I have two Outdoorsmans... Outdoorsmen?

I have two CTGs.

 

[lebomm]

The rule for these plurals is (or at least was when I studied English sometime in the last century) that since they are titles, if not proper names, they should be pluralized by simply adding the "s". Yes, even "Outdoorsmans" is correct. The same with our Victorys, Heavy Dutys, and yes, even the Woodsmans. The argument could also be made that if they are capitalized, as we generally do, they can be treated as proper nouns, and get the same simple "s". Gary was right on the button.
Hope this helps.

Larry

 

[Absalom]

I would second (or third?) Gary's and Larry's argument.

In English, conventional rules of grammar generally do not apply to proper names, or at least are handled flexibly. The Victory in Victory Model is not a thing anymore, just like the Duty in Heavy Duty.

Imagine you are writing about two guys, both named Harry. Most would agree you wouldn't write about the two Harries.

The same issue once came up about the Colt Navy. If you wrote about two Colt Navies, the grammatical implication would be that Colt maintained two sets of warships; highly unlikely. Of course, many people try to get around that by simply using Navy Colts, although that once again could be misunderstandable since it could be rightfully applied to any type of Colt firearm issued by the Navy, just like we're talking about Navy Victories .... I mean, Victorys.

So, AFAIK, S&W Victorys helped win victories. And the Heavy Dutys fulfilled heavy duties.

 

[Cooter Brown]

We are discussing proper names so I think it should Victorys and Heavy Dutys even though it looks wrong from a grammatical standpoint.

I think you've got it right here.

 

[Jack Flash]

I still can't get it into my head that there is a hockey team named the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[gscrasher]

I am impressed with both the question and the answers. I knew that the folks on this forum were a cut above many of those on other forums!

 

[k22fan]

I would not attempt to instruct a writing professor in grammar.

Outdoorsman is a model name so Outdoorsmans. However, stockman is a type of pocket knife so stockmen?

 

[chud333]

I have two Woodsmans. ....or Woodsmen.

i have two favorite colors-colours.

Does it matter on a gun forum? Isn't this like texting to
some folks? As evidenced by some posts.
You get the gist of it right? Close enough for me.

I will at least go back an edit a post of mine if i happen
to catch my own errors. I'm trying to be a good boy.

Life's too short to give this much thought.

Chuck

 

[Jack Flash]

I think it's a fun discussion. And I would like a whole bunch of stockmans knifes.

 

[k22fan]

A stockman is a kind of pocket knife just like a stockman is kind of worker so perhaps multiples of both are stockmen?

 

[Absalom]

A stockman is a kind of pocket knife just like a stockman is kind of worker so perhaps multiples of both are stockmen?

Now there it gets tricky. I know nothing about the etymology of "stockman" (the knife). How did it come about? A knife isn't a man, obviously, so was this at some point in the distant past a brand or model name that morphed into a general term, like kleenex and scotch tape? Hmmm.....

 

[MrG5122]

s

My massage is too short

 

[k22fan]

Fifty years ago my wood shop teacher, grandfather and all my uncles believed a stockman had always been any manufacturer's knife that had a master clip blade and secondary spey and sheep's foot blades pivoting on opposite ends. To simplify this discussion lets suppose they were correct. Would that make it stockmen?