Oklahoma Indians 1930s

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As a kid in the 1930s I was very much aware of the then situation of Indians, my G-Father having responsibility for several "restricted" Indians, those who had not learned the handling of money. Some were wealthy, but most only got a US Gov't allotment. Certain reliable citizens were appointed to dole out from the allotments on a need basis to prevent the individual Indian being cheated or spending unwisely.

Me about 8 years old was often visited by one about 17 who was a talented artist who drew pictures for me of guns, cowboys, horses, etc., my G-Mother feeding him with me. My Dad told of visiting an Indian owner, finding him & family sitting on blankets on the front porch of his upscale home -- with living room furniture & a grand piano out in yard exposed to the elements. I don't know what happened to the restricted Indian thing, probably disappeared as age & experience eliminated the need.

Once with G-Father on the way out to a farm he owned, told me how this stretch of road had always been muddy & few years ago he slogging along in his Model T Ford saw an Indian approaching horseback. Stopped, talking, Indian woman afoot comes up. Asking "This your woman?" - nods Yes - 'How come you let woman walk?' --- "Woman no got horse."

The Indian society seemed stratified, those I went to school with no different from the rest of us. A girl who passed recently I kept in contact with over the years, our fathers were best of friends. Bottom stratum were the 'blanket' Indians, their world disappeared & now a misfit in a different one.

Here in Ardmore, Oklahoma few of us realize we are in the Chickasaw Nation which dates back into history long before OK became a state in 1907. OK was originally Indian Territory. Other tribes have their own Nations -- which are active with tribal gov't, police force, etc. The tribes have established casinos which fund many benefits for qualifying members.
 
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If you are interested, the book The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI contains details of the abuses suffered by members of the Osage Nation at the hands of those individuals assigned "responsibility" for managing their finances. Many tribal members were murdered to obtain access to the money generated from oil and development leases. I assume your grandfather was not one of the abusers as there were many whites in those positions who did deal fairly with their charges.
 
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If you are interested, the book The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI contains details of the abuses suffered by members of the Osage Nation at the hands of those individuals assigned "responsibility" for managing their finances.
I've avoided reading the book despite my father's insistence I read it because it sounds too depressing.
 
My wife’s grandfather ran in the land rush in Oklahoma. He started out in Caldwell Kansas and went into Indian a Territory in Ok to get land.
Unfortunately that land is no longer in our family.
 
My family on both sides are from Oklahoma, and most of my family still lives there. I had an Aunt that taught school for 30+ years at the Old Deeprock Indian School in Cushing Oklahoma. And She always had some new horror story about living conditions, medical supplies fraud, or just out and out fraud and blatant stealing of Tribal Monies that was always being committed by both sides. This has always been it seems an unsolvable problem, down in the Nations. I always thought that when the despicable old leaders on both sides died out conditions will have to get better. But that never seems to happen it just seems that Younger More Despicable Leaders or people put in charge take their places. Thoes appointed people that are put in charge for the most part could care less about the Indian People they are supposed to be helping. And really only care about lining their own pockets with there own ill gotten gains. And the Tribal Council is just as guilty as the Appointed Civilians if that is possible. I really don`t think this will ever change. And the people that are involved still hate each other as much as before, maybe even more. I have been exposed to these problems for 74 yrs now, and I have never seen a lot if any improvement. It is just a cruel vicious circle and Young Indian Children suffer the most.
ken
 
The Casinos have helped the tribes, especially the Chickasaws. They have as of late, used their wealth to benefit their people. They have access to good medical care with another hospital in process now. They also stress education. They pay the cost of higher education as long as a certain grade point is maintained. My great grandson is enough Chickasaw to benefit from this.
During the sixties and until I retired we had a Chickasaw lady for our secretary. She was eighteen when she started and she was smart and very efficient. She typed fast, very accurate and was really good with figures.. After I retired she was promoted into a funds management position. Her husband was a Ex-Marine, a Kiowa and was also very intelligent and was in a good paying position. I need to add that her parents lost their allotment in a shady deal and yes, the Indians were taken advantage of in many ways, some by their own people. The tribes that have elected the right people are prospering and the others are still infighting and hurting themselves.
According to their TV Commercials the Choctaws are also doing well.
 
There are some people in Ok. and Western Ark. who begrudge the native American population making money from the casinos and other enterprises that benefit the tribes.
By the way, they have found the root word of casino. It is an old Indian word meaning, it is our turn now.
 
I have a little Choctaw heritage - very little. I don't really know much about them, though. Had an acquaintance, now deceased, who was full blood Osage with "head rights." Back then he used to get a monthly check from the tribe based on oil revenue. I don't know if that's still the case for Osage, though.
 
I think the modern Indian, beneficiary of tribal benefits, Casinos, free medical, etc. must be conflicted between having the benefits & the memories of ancestral sufferings such as the Trail of Tears. Same, the African American, different history but similar comparisons.

I know from my famiy history, their winnings & losses & sufferings in the American Revolution, Texas vs. Mexico, the Confederacy, etc., in which they survived & I now benefit ---->
 
Married me a beautiful Choctaw lady from Oklahoma. Smart, attractive and determined she is (Veterinarian). I'll be moving back home to her family's ranch to start the transition as the manager this year after I retire from the Marines.

The casinos pay for a lot of public works projects that would be otherwise unfunded, like highways between small towns. To be honest I had less faith in the process until I became more familiar with it. Some of the stereotypes are there for a reason, but like all groups there are plenty of good with the bad.
 
My maternal grandmother was registered on the Dawes Role both as a Chickasaw and a Cherokee. The other half was Irish (a Kelly and a Brady). As far as I can research, the Brady line included at least two Bradys who rode with Quantrell.
 
I think the modern Indian, beneficiary of tribal benefits, Casinos, free medical, etc. must be conflicted between having the benefits & the memories of ancestral sufferings such as the Trail of Tears. Same, the African American, different history but similar comparisons.

My wife is 50% Navajo. Having spent a lot of time with her family over the last 40 years they see things differently than you do. Before the white-man came to their land it was truly a savage existence. Women were all treated no better than slaves. It was not uncommon for for baby girls to be killed just after birth because they were the wrong sex. None of this would have ever changed without whites entering their lands.

It did not change over night and many times the whites were far worse that the native people ever were. But it did finally change.

My wife's great grandmother died a few years after we married. She was almost 100 and was born in the 1870's. She talked many times of the transition from the old way to the new way of life. She said over and over again that any Navajo that wanted the old way back again didn't know what the past was.
 
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I just finished reading Killers of the Flower Moon, which is the title of the book mentioned above. The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI is like a sub-title or something. Author David Grann. Real eye opener on greed.

I will be glad to send this along to the first one to post "I'll take it", and he can pass it along when finished.

Charlie
 
All I know is......

....that the Native Americans have been treated very badly by the U.S. government from the beginning, for so long, that, added with corruption and exploitation, policy became an indecipherable mess so that even good intentions were made negative.
 
I just finished reading Killers of the Flower Moon, which is the title of the book mentioned above. The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI is like a sub-title or something. Author David Grann. Real eye opener on greed.

I will be glad to send this along to the first one to post "I'll take it", and he can pass it along when finished.


'"I'll take it"
 
I think the modern Indian, beneficiary of tribal benefits, Casinos, free medical, etc. must be conflicted between having the benefits & the memories of ancestral sufferings such as the Trail of Tears. Same, the African American, different history but similar comparisons.

My wife is 50% Navajo. Having spent a lot of time with her family over the last 40 years they see things differently than you do. Before the white-man came to their land it was truly a savage existence. Women were all treated no better than slaves. It was not uncommon for for baby girls to be killed just after birth because they were the wrong sex. None of this would have ever changed without whites entering their lands.

It did not change over night and many times the whites were far worse that the native people ever were. But it did finally change.

My wife's great grandmother died a few years after we married. She was almost 100 and was born in the 1870's. She talked many times of the transition from the old way to the new way of life. She said over and over again that any Navajo that wanted the old way back again didn't know what the past was.

I'm glad to know of your experience with the realistic Navajo attitude.
 
I can't remember the name.....

I can't remember the name of the reservation (Tuba City???) we passed going from AZ through Monument Valley but there was a big sign across the road....."WHITE PEOPLE KEEP OUT". That kinda sums it up.
 
As I said earlier, I have spent a lot time in Oklahoma and the Nations growing up and as an adult. And there is a lot of Indian Blood in my family. So I have been exposed to both sides of the so called Indian & White Man problem. And IMHO you just have to really live in this environment for many years to really make a realistic comment or judgement about this problem. I would sure be hard pressed, to make a decision on how this matter should be solved. For when people have hated each other for over a 100+ years. A for real solution is very iffy if not impossible. Especially when neither side really wants to change.
ken
 
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