One Adam 12 Officer Pete Malloy Reloading his S & W Model 15

[Absalom]

Why would you eject spent rounds into your hand?

It is said to have been relatively common training practice back in the 1950s and 1960s, to put the empties in a pocket and keep the range tidy.

In fact, there is a persistent story you will find in older sources about the Newhall gunfight that one of the CHP troopers, who died as he was unable to complete reloading his Colt Python fast enough, had wasted valuable time by falling back on that training routine under stress.

This, however, has apparently been proven to not have been true.

 

[JayCeeNC]

A friend is a retired LAPD patrol sergeant.
He said the AMC Matador was a superb patrol car. It came with a 401ci engine and outperformed many other makes.

 

[Dave.357]

A friend is a retired LAPD patrol sergeant.
He said the AMC Matador was a superb patrol car. It came with a 401ci engine and outperformed many other makes.

That just means the A/C worked

 

[Richochet]

Why would you eject spent rounds into your hand?

Take a look at the episode. Malloy shot one of the burglars in the line of duty.

He has to keep the spent rounds as evidence for the Shooting Board which will review the Officer Shoot and report the investigation to the Chief of Police. Standard procedure for LAPD

 

[bgrafsr]

Why would you eject spent rounds into your hand?

Back in the day, when we trained, we would dump the spent cases into our hand and then put them into a can or bucket, next to you on the firing line.
That practice was stopped, because Officers would get into a shootout and after dumping the spent cases, they would look for the can or bucket to put the empty cases into. You do what your trained to do.


When I took over firearms training, I trained the guys to dump the spent cases onto the ground and reload as fast as possible. After qualifying, the cases would then be picked up, as we reloaded them for more training.

 

[oink]

I think the oldest patrol car I drove was the Plymouth Fury. It was pretty bad *** at the time. I think my least favorite was the Dodge Diplomat. That wasn't the 70's but I drove those at two different departments.

I remember when they started training us to dump our brass during training and qualification rather than pocketing them. But then we had to police up afterwards.

I was issued dump pouches at one Dept and loops at another. I didn't use either very long at all as speed loaders were already around so I bought some and carriers on my own. Other guys just carried the loops or dump pouches. A few had speed strips in their dump pouches.

When I moved to FL I had to take a "Comparative Compliance" course at the academy. I think it was 2 weeks and was mostly FL Law but you also had to pass a qualification course which was run by FBI agents. When I was up the agent told me I couldn't use speed loaders. I asked why not. He said "what happens when you run out of speed loaders". My thought was "well then (insert profanity) I'm (insert profanity) out of ammo". I wisely didn't verbalize that. I qualified with 6 rounds wedged in my belt and 6 held in my lips. Idiot!

 

[zonker5]

I watch it every day back East here its on at 5 and 5.30 back to back

Highway Patrol comes on just before Adam-12 at 4:30. Always entertaining.

 

[Gunhacker]

I think the oldest patrol car I drove was the Plymouth Fury. It was pretty bad *** at the time. I think my least favorite was the Dodge Diplomat. That wasn't the 70s but I drove those at two different departments.

I remember when they started training us to dump our bras during training and qualification rather than pocketing them. But then we had to police up afterwards.

I was issued dump pouches at one Dept and loops at another. I didn't use either very long at all as speed loader were already around so I bought some and carriers on my own. Other guys just carried the loops or dump pouches. A few had speed strips in their dump pouches.

When I moved to FL I had to take a "Comparative Compliance" course at the academy. I think it was 2 weeks and was mostly FL Law but you also had to pass a qualification course which was run by FBI agents. When I was up the agent told me I couldn't use speed loaders. I asked why not. He said "what happens when you run out of speed loaders". My thought was "well then (insert profanity) I'm (insert profanity) out of ammo". I wisely didn't verbalize that. I qualified with 6 rounds wedged in my belt and 6 held in my lips. Idiot!

Our dept. had the Plymouth Fury's... 440 "Wedge" engines that produced 375HP, which was a beast for something back in the early 70's. There's nothing like the growl of a 4 bbl carb on a V-8 under full acceleration. We had a couple of Dodge Monaco's that no one wanted to be stuck with.

You have a humorous typo 'ya need to fix in your post:

"I remember when they started training us to dump our bras during training and qualification rather than pocketing them."

 

[SRT]

You are right. That was the program. one of the best of the series
IMO. We used to carry those dump pouches back in the day.
I remember the hot set up was the Dade County Fast Reloader when it came out.

Attached are Dade Screw Machine Speed Loaders for a K frame S&W. Compared to the speed of dump pouches I carried in 1973, the Dade was supersonic! The green tipped rounds in the third photo are KTW armor piercing.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

My first assigned patrol car was a 1965 Chevrolet Biscayne. Next was a 1967 Ford Falcon (6-cylinder 3-speed). Chrysler products became the norm from 1970 until 1975. In 1976 we got a bunch of Chevrolet Nova sedans with 350 V8 that really scooted around, but it was difficult to wrestle a big guy into the back seat when necessary.

I don't recall any new vehicles in the latter 1970's, which were pretty tough times economically.

Went over to a state job in 1982, they gave me a brand new Plymouth Reliant (K-Car), plain brown wrapper, plain hub caps, two radio antennas so everyone knew it was an unmarked unit. First time I went onto the Southern Ute Reservation, trying to find a witness to get a statement, three truckloads of young guys with deer rifles objected strongly to my blonde haired blue eyed sport coat & necktie presence on the REZ and made sure I left promptly. The tribal police seemed more amused than anything. No bullet holes, no harm, no foul, stupid white man learned a lesson that day (next time don't waste a trip, place a call to the tribal cops and note that in the investigation report, no reply means no further action).

In 1985 we got some new Ford LTD-II sedans. Ran pretty good, but if you ran the AC in city traffic the engine would overheat and shut down, stranding you for an hour or two until it cooled off enough to run again.

Last automobile purchase I oversaw was 1992 Ford Taurus sedans. Front wheel drive, pretty stout little V6 and automatic. Got around pretty good in winter conditions. I was chief in a small town so there was little need to go real fast, and I tried to stretch the gasoline budget as far as I could.

Once again I have wondered off on memory lane, further and further away from the original post. Sorry about that.

 

[Richochet]

Dirty Harry Using Dade Fast Reloader

Dirty Harry using a Dade Fst Reloader.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs8AqzN9Ga4[/ame]

 

[scout II]

Here are some of the old Hunt Engineering Inc speed loaders my dad carried back in the early 1970's. I like them and still use them at the range now and then.

 

[S-W4EVER]

B

... the AMC Matador was a superb patrol car. It came with a 401ci engine and outperformed many other makes.

We had some Matadors in the Army (Military Police) and they were much better and faster than the Ford and Plymouths that came along afterwards.

As a civilian LEO, my first patrol car was a new 1979 Impala. I really got used to being outrun with that car,it came out of passing gear at 60 mph. Next car I had was an ‘82 Diplomat and it was just as slow and one of the biggest piles of junk ever foisted onto LE. My ‘85 LTD-II was a lot faster but it was uncomfortable and unreliable. I blew three engines and four transmissions in that car. Even blew the heater core while accelerating onto the freeway one morning.

My ‘88 Mustang was a dream, only had to replace the clutch a couple times on it. The fuel tank was kinda small so I’d have to refuel 2-3 times a shift. My ‘91 Caprice was a pretty good car and was the first to come with ABS, which came in handy a few times. After that I had a series of (four) Crown Vics and every one of them was a good, reliable patrol car. When Ford discontinued the Crown Vic in 2011 I knew it was time to pull the pin. I never could get comfortable in those Exploders.

When I graduated from the Academy, we were issued (and required to wear) dump pouches. I bought a couple Bianchi speed strips and that made reloading much easier. A couple years later the agency issued speed loaders and that was even better.

Like LoboGunLeather, I have a tendency to take the exit to Memory Lane but I enjoy reading of his experiences so I figured I’d add some of mine.

I don’t know that I’d do it again if I had it to do over but it was a pretty exciting ride while it lasted.

 

[triaxle]

Such a great post . Good info and car talk.I outran a PA State Police 440 back in the day with my 62 Chevy SS 327 4spd . I ran his speed trap about 120 and some big rigs got in passing lane . I made it to side street alley pulled in drive saw him fly by . never herd any thing . young and dumb.

 

[bgrafsr]

Attached are Dade Screw Machine Speed Loaders for a K frame S&W. Compared to the speed of dump pouches I carried in 1973, the Dade was supersonic! The green tipped rounds in the third photo are KTW armor piercing.

KTW ammo was started in Lorain, Ohio by Dr. Kopsch (Lorain County Coroner), Sgt. Dan Turcos of Lorain PD, and Don Ward, who was an investigator in the Coroner's Office.

 

[bgrafsr]

B

We had some Matadors in the Army (Military Police) and they were much better and faster than the Ford and Plymouths that came along afterwards.

As a civilian LEO, my first patrol car was a new 1979 Impala. I really got used to being outrun with that car,it came out of passing gear at 60 mph. Next car I had was an ‘82 Diplomat and it was just as slow and one of the biggest piles of junk ever foisted onto LE. My ‘85 LTD-II was a lot faster but it was uncomfortable and unreliable. I blew three engines and four transmissions in that car. Even blew the heater core while accelerating onto the freeway one morning.

My ‘88 Mustang was a dream, only had to replace the clutch a couple times on it. The fuel tank was kinda small so I’d have to refuel 2-3 times a shift. My ‘91 Caprice was a pretty good car and was the first to come with ABS, which came in handy a few times. After that I had a series of (four) Crown Vics and every one of them was a good, reliable patrol car. When Ford discontinued the Crown Vic in 2011 I knew it was time to pull the pin. I never could get comfortable in those Exploders.

When I graduated from the Academy, we were issued (and required to wear) dump pouches. I bought a couple Bianchi speed strips and that made reloading much easier. A couple years later the agency issued speed loaders and that was even better.

Like LoboGunLeather, I have a tendency to take the exit to Memory Lane but I enjoy reading of his experiences so I figured I’d add some of mine.

I don’t know that I’d do it again if I had it to do over but it was a pretty exciting ride while it lasted.

Our Dept. special ordered '76 Ford Torinos and they were built at the Lorain, Ohio Ford Plant. They had heavy duty everything and a big Ford engine. The transmission was locked out for 1st gear, because when they tested them, the car would burn tires if the accelerator was put to the floor.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

A few had speed strips in their dump pouches.

I still used speedstrips loaded with .38 Specials in a double dump pouch on my duty belt to reload my backup. I carried 4 speedloaders on my belt for my .357 Magnum service revolver.

In fact, I still use the speedstrips in a double dump pouch when I want to keep a lower profile.

 

[KSDeputy]

I watched that episode yesterday afternoon. I remember it because Malloy was reloading and his life was saved by other officers who saw his situation, vulnerable while reloading. I love the program, and watch it every day except Sunday on ME TV.

 

[SPEEDGUNNER]

Such a great post . Good info and car talk.I outran a PA State Police 440 back in the day with my 62 Chevy SS 327 4spd . I ran his speed trap about 120 and some big rigs got in passing lane . I made it to side street alley pulled in drive saw him fly by . never herd any thing . young and dumb.

I misspent my youth running fast women and faster cars. My AO was under PSP jurisdiction and even running GTO's and big block Torinos I (and my cohorts) were in fear of the big block PSP Mopars and did our best to try to avoid confrontations. The locals were running 318 cars and then transitioned to LTD II's but those guys all knew who we were. The Statie's were a different breed entirely, no nonsense, no sense of humor, no prisoners!

 

[LoboGunLeather]

I misspent my youth running fast women and faster cars. My AO was under PSP jurisdiction and even running GTO's and big block Torinos I (and my cohorts) were in fear of the big block PSP Mopars and did our best to try to avoid confrontations. The locals were running 318 cars and then transitioned to LTD II's but those guys all knew who we were. The Statie's were a different breed entirely, no nonsense, no sense of humor, no prisoners!

I often think about all the money I spent on women, and cars, and liquor, and poker games. I guess the rest of my money was just wasted.