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One-Adam-12, One-Adam 12, see the man...
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I spent five years doing an admin job on an IT program for my employer. I was only on the street a couple of times a month.
When I went back to the field full time I found that a lot of things had changed. It took me a couple of months to get back into form and be comfortable doing something I had done for 30 years. I've been retired roughly 18 months and can only guess at how much more difficult it would be if I suddenly had to go back on an ambulance.
For one thing, we have a new computer aided dispatch system and even though I was on the selection committee, I'd have to learn that as well as any new equipment the department has bought since then.
My department used to require EMTs and medics who were off from injury more than a couple of months to do one day of orientation for each month missed. Even at that, people found that there was more rust than they expected when they came back to work.
When I went back to the field full time I found that a lot of things had changed. It took me a couple of months to get back into form and be comfortable doing something I had done for 30 years. I've been retired roughly 18 months and can only guess at how much more difficult it would be if I suddenly had to go back on an ambulance.
For one thing, we have a new computer aided dispatch system and even though I was on the selection committee, I'd have to learn that as well as any new equipment the department has bought since then.
My department used to require EMTs and medics who were off from injury more than a couple of months to do one day of orientation for each month missed. Even at that, people found that there was more rust than they expected when they came back to work.
I'll keep this going.
One of my favorite episodes featured the terrific Warren Stevens playing an older officer - the best police officer Malloy ever knew - returning from disability after being shot. At the end, he hangs it up again because he feels too old and can't adjust to the new ways of policing.
Gee, do I appreciate that sentiment now.
Looks like that must be "The Dinosaur" from December, 1971.
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tecolote
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Last night on MeTV they ran an episode dealing with Air Support,the officers of which wore a khaki uniform with a black Lewis Police Special K frame 4" holster,cross draw and a double drop pouch. Does anyone know if this was accurate for the time (1969);the Bell Jetranger and 47 seemed to be(Part 2 of this eipsode is on Me TV at 12 CDT tonight).
I've seen a few black Lewis holsters in photos,but none in the flesh...
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Tecolote
I've seen a few black Lewis holsters in photos,but none in the flesh...
Regards,
Tecolote
stantheman86
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I've been enjoying watching Adam-12 on NetFlix for the past few weeks,I'm watching one right now
all the seasons are on here, I just watch a few every night when I get home from work.
This show was well before my time but I've always been a TV and movie nut so I enjoy the classics too
There's tons of classic S&W action, like when Reed is suppressing the rooftop sniper so Malloy can save that kid.....I don't know the name of the episode. I was impressed that Reed is shooting in DA and then uses his dump pouches to reload.
They call this the first "realistic" cop show but Reed and Malloy seem to get into gun fights nearly every episode it's still TV I guess
all the seasons are on here, I just watch a few every night when I get home from work.This show was well before my time but I've always been a TV and movie nut so I enjoy the classics too
There's tons of classic S&W action, like when Reed is suppressing the rooftop sniper so Malloy can save that kid.....I don't know the name of the episode. I was impressed that Reed is shooting in DA and then uses his dump pouches to reload.
They call this the first "realistic" cop show but Reed and Malloy seem to get into gun fights nearly every episode
it's still TV I guesskbm6893
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Couldn't agree more. I remember when I was a kid. It would take ONE cop walking the beat to clear a corner. The toughest punk on the block wouldn't even think about giving lip to a cop. If he did, they'd have a stop at the hospital before the station house. Nowadays, the recidivist felon crack dealer is believed over the cop. The media paints the cops as thugs. And professional rabble rousers stoke the flames and line their pockets.
Don't know if anyone is aware of the "choke death" in NYC. Guy arrested 31 times. 360 pounds. Diabetic. Asthmatic. Selling loose untaxed cigarettes. Cops go to arrest. Guy flat out refuses to be arrested. Given multiple chances. Resists when they make a lawful arrest. One cop does use an Unauthorized chokehold to help bring him down. Guy goes into cardiac arrest and dies. Medical examiner issues press statement, not actual autopsy results, saying chokehold CONTRIBUTED to his death. His morbid obesity and asthma didn't help either. Publi. Is up in arms
31 arrests and on video refusing to comply with a lawful arrest and he's the victim! I would physically prevent my son from becoming a cop today
During Malloy's speech about the police car in the pilot episode, he states that there are two shotguns. One is in front as you describe, the other is in the trunk.
That is the only mention of two shotguns ever on the show. Even at shift change when Reed checks out a shotgun for the cruiser, he only gets one and it goes in the front.
That is the only mention of two shotguns ever on the show. Even at shift change when Reed checks out a shotgun for the cruiser, he only gets one and it goes in the front.
I've been following this story a bit. The mistake the officer made was using the unauthorized choke hold. The part about it being a lawful arrest has been lost in the narrative about the suspects death.
It is going to be a messy, complicated case. In addition to the alleged police misconduct, the EMS response was questionable at best.
Probably best left for another (if any) thread and not pollute this one.
It is going to be a messy, complicated case. In addition to the alleged police misconduct, the EMS response was questionable at best.
Probably best left for another (if any) thread and not pollute this one.
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It is common for the illiterate to refer to the offender as a victim in such circumstances, simply because they died, or got shot, or whatever. They are not victims. They are volunteers and offenders. I have sent some pretty scathing commentary to a couple of newspapers/TV stations over such.
I am pretty sure what NYPD prohibits is the LVNR, which is not a chokehold any more than I am a handsome gymnast. What happened here is that the officer was simply grabbing the nearest part he could to try to control the head of the offender. IF there was any compression of the neck, it was incidental.
Poppin' Fresh died as a consequence of his lifestyle choices (health problems like that are simply a slow motion form of suicide) and his criminal actions. There are no "ties" in fights with LE. Offenders lose. Fights are not pretty. They will involve kicks, palm heel strikes, and lots of other similar techniques. Wrestling an offender is not smart, and wrestling that food blister with legs would have been stupid.
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Yeah. The medical examiner already ruled no injury to neck or trachea. Though the rabble rousers don't care. Other funny thing is the chokehold is not approved by the job. But using it is not criminal. Cop's gonna be sacrificed to placate the rabble rousers, but he did nothing illegal. Just violated dept policy.
Malloy is referring to shotgun racks; not two shotguns. Ironically, I don't think the trunk mount was ever shown.
From IMDB - "This black and white patrol car has an overhead valve V8 engine. It develops 325 horsepower at 4800 RPM's. It accelerates from 0 to 60 in seven seconds; it has a top speed of 120 miles an hour. It's equipped with a multi channeled DFE radio and an electronic siren capable of admitting three variables, wale, yelp, and alert. It also serves as an outside radio speaker and public address system. The automobile has two shotgun racks, one attached to the bottom portion of the front seat, one in the vehicle trunk. Attached to the middle of the dash, illuminated by a single bulb is a hot sheet desk. Fastened to which you will always make sure is the latest one off the teletype before you ever roll."
From IMDB - "This black and white patrol car has an overhead valve V8 engine. It develops 325 horsepower at 4800 RPM's. It accelerates from 0 to 60 in seven seconds; it has a top speed of 120 miles an hour. It's equipped with a multi channeled DFE radio and an electronic siren capable of admitting three variables, wale, yelp, and alert. It also serves as an outside radio speaker and public address system. The automobile has two shotgun racks, one attached to the bottom portion of the front seat, one in the vehicle trunk. Attached to the middle of the dash, illuminated by a single bulb is a hot sheet desk. Fastened to which you will always make sure is the latest one off the teletype before you ever roll."
It may not be criminal, but if it's outside of protocol is opens the officer to department discipline and the department to civil liability for their failure to adequately train and supervise the officer.
kbm6893
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Oh, I know. He's fired for sure. Better to be unemployed than in prison, though.
Yes, but it's still a shame. It really grates that the family of this guy is going to get a significant settlement from the city for this.
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WAY COOL! From one old badge to another. I cut my teeth on a Model 15 in the academy. Loaded from loops, not speedloaders! I still placed second out of 60 recruits.
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When I was in the Army, we used to call the best defensive seat in the restaurant (the one facing the entry points with your back against the wall) the "gunner's seat". You always placed your best shooter in that seat, and made sure he always had clear line(s) of fire. I've also seen a lot of LEOs sit with their backs to the door, or with their gun hand "trapped" against a wall or booth. A sad lack of situational awareness.
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What is shameful is that the city won't have the fortitude to litigate. It should not get past summary judgment. It is very unlikely that the plaintiffs could prove causation in fact, and as a matter of law, the force used was objectively reasonable. The fact that a badly written policy may have been violated is not relevant.
The reality is that the officers did not use enough force - there should have been a lot of strikes, and not any grappling until he was disabled.
Sorry about the thread hijack - this is stuff I do professionally (LE operational law), and seeing the overwhelming majority of command officers with whom I have had contact screw this up to an amazing extent really gripes me. Most of them need a big cup of shut up.
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eyegots2no
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Malloy must have been the 30th officer to be hired after Joe Friday......
LAPD must not have had a lot of turnover back then....
LAPD must not have had a lot of turnover back then....
I wonder if they did, or do, reissue badges?
Some small departments around here change badge numbers as people retire. The senior patrol officer always has Badge #1.
My agency (not police) doesn't reissue badge numbers. When I was promoted from EMT to paramedic, I was issued a new badge and that badge retired with me. I kept the old EMT badge and still have it.
I once met a NYPD motorcycle officer with badge #4. IIRC, he told me that the badge was his grandfather or maybe great grandfathers and when he got on the job, he was able to get that number. It's been about 15 years, so i don't remember the details, maybe someone from NYPD can either fill in the details or correct my memory.
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Retired NYPD here. You could always request a shield number if it was family. If it was available it was yours. If it wasn't, the Shield Desk would send a request to the cop who had it for a voluntary switch to give the new officer the number. I know 2 cops who gave theirs up for the new recruit
Cops who are corrupt have their shield's actually taken out of circulation. Nobody will ever wear the sheild of a dirty cop. Shame really. How far back some of those go. I wonder who first wore mine and when? The current NYPD shield came about almost 100 years ago. So there are cops out there walking around with the same shield a cop walked the beat in around the turn of the century
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kbm6893
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Funny thing is nobody really wanted a shield with less than 4 digits. Too easy to remember if somebody wanted to file a complaint and didn't have a pen. Cop I used to work with with shield number 12 used to always be the one that would get spotted. 15 cops on the scene and the complainant would always remember number 12! I wish mine was written in Egyptian hieroglyphics!
I believe LAPD did and still does reissue shield numbers upon retirements. LAPD would have had about 5000 police officers when the show ran. I suspect they gave Malloy a three digit number to show he was more experienced and as a take off of Joe Friday's 714 number.
Each LAPD officer has both a badge number and a separate serial number that follows them during their career. I have seen written other places where Malloy and Reed's serial numbers were consistent with the range that would have been issued to their respective graduating academy classes..
Each LAPD officer has both a badge number and a separate serial number that follows them during their career. I have seen written other places where Malloy and Reed's serial numbers were consistent with the range that would have been issued to their respective graduating academy classes..
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Thanks for posting. Sure brings back memories. One of my all time favorite TV cop shows.
Nice pic's!
I watched an early episode today on netflix from the 1st season where both Malloy and Reed have checked out shotguns and place one in the trunk and one in front of the front seat.
I watched an early episode today on netflix from the 1st season where both Malloy and Reed have checked out shotguns and place one in the trunk and one in front of the front seat.
I carried a 4" M19 that I had roundbutted to the Academy. I loaded from dropboxes, because speedloaders weren't authorized at the academy back then!
Shot NRA Expert too.
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Great info!
The NYPD issues the SAME shields over and over? If the pin gets damaged, etc. do they repair them?
I remember watching "Brooklyn's Finest" and when Gere's character turned in his gear at retirement the guy threw his badge into a box that was already full of them.
The NYPD issues the SAME shields over and over? If the pin gets damaged, etc. do they repair them?
I remember watching "Brooklyn's Finest" and when Gere's character turned in his gear at retirement the guy threw his badge into a box that was already full of them.
