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There wasca old video of a guy that was in sone branch of LE doing a safety deminstration for a classroom of kids and shot him self. Continued talking like nothing happened.
And I think just before that happened he announced to the class that he was the only one in the room competent to handle a gun. 
I used that video in my Safety Power point. What is not obvious is the guy removed the round from the chamber, and stuck that round in his left pocket (he forgot to first remove the magazine). Then he removed the magazine. This was not in the video, I only learned about it from another instructor later.
The round he fired hit the round in his pocket and defleceted it - missed the femoral artery by just a little bit!
Riposte
The round he fired hit the round in his pocket and defleceted it - missed the femoral artery by just a little bit!
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You mean this one? "I'm the only one in this room professional enough, that I know of, to carry a Glock 40."
Man. That one always makes me shake my head in disbelief.
The explanation that he ejected a round with the mag in, and then ejected the mag and thought the gun unloaded…. Doesn’t make it any better, does it?
The explanation that he ejected a round with the mag in, and then ejected the mag and thought the gun unloaded…. Doesn’t make it any better, does it?
You mean this one? "I'm the only one in this room professional enough, that I know of, to carry a Glock 40."
Could have been worse. He could be singing soprano.
Al
I've always wondered whatever happened to that poor bozo. Well, in the words of Paul Harvey, "Now here's the rest of the story..."
A federal agent who accidentally shot himself while lecturing children on gun safety lost his appeal Tuesday in a lawsuit over release of the video that subjected him to ridicule on the Internet and late-night talk shows.
Lee Paige sued his employer, the Drug Enforcement Administration, after video of the 2004 accident in Florida appeared in the news and went viral on the Internet. The video shows Paige shooting himself in the leg just as he displays his firearm and tells a gathering of about 50 youth and their parents, “I’m the only one in this room professional enough, that I know of, to carry this Glock 40.”
Paige claimed in his lawsuit that the DEA’s release of the video, taken by a parent attending the demonstration, invaded his privacy and ended his ability to work undercover or give motivational speeches. Paige, a former professional football player who worked at the DEA since 1990, said the release has also resulted in humiliating comments toward him and his family not only on television but at grocery stores and restaurants.
A federal agent who accidentally shot himself while lecturing children on gun safety lost his appeal Tuesday in a lawsuit over release of the video that subjected him to ridicule on the Internet and late-night talk shows.
Lee Paige sued his employer, the Drug Enforcement Administration, after video of the 2004 accident in Florida appeared in the news and went viral on the Internet. The video shows Paige shooting himself in the leg just as he displays his firearm and tells a gathering of about 50 youth and their parents, “I’m the only one in this room professional enough, that I know of, to carry this Glock 40.”
Paige claimed in his lawsuit that the DEA’s release of the video, taken by a parent attending the demonstration, invaded his privacy and ended his ability to work undercover or give motivational speeches. Paige, a former professional football player who worked at the DEA since 1990, said the release has also resulted in humiliating comments toward him and his family not only on television but at grocery stores and restaurants.
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Bevo84
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Then he asked for a refund
He probably gave “expert testimony “ on drug cases. 
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There are several reasons that I don’t own a Glock.
The main reason is because there is no thumb safety.
Side note, if you have to tell everyone that youre the smartest guy around, you probably aren’t.
There are several reasons that I don’t own a Glock.
The main reason is because there is no thumb safety.
Side note, if you have to tell everyone that youre the smartest guy around, you probably aren’t.
While I agree, I own several Glocks - the only one I will carry does have a thumb safety, wish they still made those!
Still it is not a comvortable safety and I find the M&P with a safety much better and just as reliable and just as accurate.
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Problem is that they may know lots of things but not everything and are closed minded about things they don't know about!
Inattention to detail: Remove the magazine FIRST!!!... THEN eject the round in the chamber. Prevents you from inadvertently chambering another round but thinking it's empty.
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The above note (...Remove the magazine first!) is right on, but feces occurs! Years ago I was shooting with my LEO partner, and we decided to leave the range towards the end of the range session. I watched him tilt his 1911 to the side, remove the magazine, stick the mag into a pocket and then run the slide to eject the chambered round. He then pulled the trigger, the gun went "click" and he reinserted the magazine and put the gun in his holster. He took about two steps and the gun fired! We both jumped about 3 feet straight up! The post-mortem of that shooting was that (a) tilting the gun while removing the magazine allowed a round to strip out of the mag, but it stayed in the gun...he ran the slide, ejected the chambered round, but the 'loose' round chambered with that action. (b) Normally, pulling the trigger would result in a "click" rather than a "Bang!" but in this case, the chambered round was a 'hang-fire', and cooked off slowly, not firing until the gun had been holstered. A good example of "All guns are always loaded!" even when they are not...
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That was the OP's video link . . .
There was a PPC shooter who usually won big matches, forget his name, but he fired a round through his calf in a kneeling stage, not sure wether it was getting into position or out of it. I think I know who it was but not being 100% sure I don't want to impune a name that might not deserve it.
At any rate, they washed out his wound, put a bandaid on entrance and exit and he went on to win the match (I guess he had the rquisite number of hits on target).
I'm shocked because most shooting disciplines disqualify a shooter who had an ND ?
In memphis a friend of mine ran a small securty agency - we were sitting down one night for a steak and the waiter called him to the phone . One of his officers had shot himself in the leg. We rapidly finished our stake and drove to the scene and picked up the officer's car and then vistited him in the hospital.
He had taken a 125 gr Remington +P .38 fire from his 4" S&W through the meat of the thigh. They flushed out his wound and put a bandaid over each hole and released him. We recoverd the bullet the next day from inside the door pannel - it was unexpanded but the tip had flattened against the window which had been down.
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At any rate, they washed out his wound, put a bandaid on entrance and exit and he went on to win the match (I guess he had the rquisite number of hits on target).
I'm shocked because most shooting disciplines disqualify a shooter who had an ND ?
In memphis a friend of mine ran a small securty agency - we were sitting down one night for a steak and the waiter called him to the phone . One of his officers had shot himself in the leg. We rapidly finished our stake and drove to the scene and picked up the officer's car and then vistited him in the hospital.
He had taken a 125 gr Remington +P .38 fire from his 4" S&W through the meat of the thigh. They flushed out his wound and put a bandaid over each hole and released him. We recoverd the bullet the next day from inside the door pannel - it was unexpanded but the tip had flattened against the window which had been down.
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Then visually Check The chamber to verify it’s empty,
stansdds
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Yep, and I have encountered plenty of those along the way.
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You mean this one? "I'm the only one in this room professional enough, that I know of, to carry a Glock 40."
Another classic ; "Tex" Grebner.
Foul language alert, but then again, he just shot himself.
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WOW!! NEVER heard of that happening! Makes me wonder if they're wasn't something wrong with the magazine, allowing a round to escape when tilted a certain way. Glad no one got damaged, though.
stansdds
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The slow motion portion clearly shows his index finger entering the trigger guard area as he draws and immediately before the pistol fires. Safety first, finger out of the trigger guard area until ready to fire.
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IIRC he admitted to placing his finger into the trigger guard prematurely as a result of his having just changed to a holster with which he wasn't familiar.
IMO Grebner deserves credit for taking responsibility rather than trying to blame his gear like so many do.
Comments about the accidental shooting of himself (Tex Gerber) avoid like the plague the "real truth" and that is that some pistols are more safely designed than others.
Safeties on all consumer goods (not just guns) were put there for a valid reason and that is they save lives.
If Tex had been using say a H&K P30s or a Beretta 92 with manual safety the accident most likely never would have occurred. The long hard 12 1/2 lb trigger pull (even if the safety was off) and the safety "if on" would have made the accident highly improbable.
Is it not unbelievable that 115 years ago the U.S. Military told John Browning he was daft if he thought they would adopt his 1911 pistol without a manual safety yet again 115 years later the latest rage (since about 1980) is carrying around a plastic gun that is cocked and ready to fire and has no manual safety. Well what would you expect would happen? The U.S. Military knew 115 years ago, why don't we?????
Below is a video Massad Ayoob made about pistols without manual safeties and how human error often leads to tragedy.
Safeties on all consumer goods (not just guns) were put there for a valid reason and that is they save lives.
If Tex had been using say a H&K P30s or a Beretta 92 with manual safety the accident most likely never would have occurred. The long hard 12 1/2 lb trigger pull (even if the safety was off) and the safety "if on" would have made the accident highly improbable.
Is it not unbelievable that 115 years ago the U.S. Military told John Browning he was daft if he thought they would adopt his 1911 pistol without a manual safety yet again 115 years later the latest rage (since about 1980) is carrying around a plastic gun that is cocked and ready to fire and has no manual safety. Well what would you expect would happen? The U.S. Military knew 115 years ago, why don't we?????
Below is a video Massad Ayoob made about pistols without manual safeties and how human error often leads to tragedy.
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While I don't disagree, I do recall, having been around LE for a really long time back in the 70s and first half of the 80s we saw more NDs and injuries and some fatalities with DA autos than with SA autos (of course there were far more DA autos in LE holsters!). In fact just down the road in the 90s an officer shot his own thumb off with a Sig 226 and killed a subject in the passenger seat. There was a trial (civil) in which he testified the hammer had been down. No reason to doubt it.
I used a video of a Las Vegas officer who cranked off a round with a Beretta 92 while her partner was sitting on a suspect he had just handcuffed - in that video you can see the hammer is down through the event until she had some sort of convulsive reflex - there is not sound so we cannot tell if a loud noise caused the reaction.
That said I think most NDs with DA autos happen when someone forgets to decock and holsters a cocked weapon.
When I moved back to the state to work, the Sheriff in the next county over killed his chief deputy with a DA revolver in the office - he was fooling around with the gun and unintentionally set it off.
Of course since the mid 80s Glock has taken over the postion of being "overrepresented in unintentionl discharges" (quoting from NYCs SOP9) - but that is not because it is the fault of the gun, almost always it is the operator though it can be the hoslter (but that too is the responsibility of the owner)
"Eees Gon - eees supposed to be dangerous!"
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Aaaaannd there you have it!
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