opinion on escalation

I happen to agree with his explanation. Most confrontations can be stopped cold if the bad guy sees and hears a racking semiautomatic . . .

This is an urban legend on par with the Neimann Marcus cookie recipe. Most confrontations don't start with a showdown in the middle of the street akin to The Quick and the Dead. You aren't afforded that four or five seconds to assume a stance, draw, rack, and assume a modified Weaver stance. If you don't believe me, I don't care. You roll your way, I'll roll mine.
 
This is an urban legend on par with the Neimann Marcus cookie recipe. Most confrontations don't start with a showdown in the middle of the street akin to The Quick and the Dead. You aren't afforded that four or five seconds to assume a stance, draw, rack, and assume a modified Weaver stance. If you don't believe me, I don't care. You roll your way, I'll roll mine.

Thanks, that was the typical response I thought I would get. If the bad guy has planned his attack and executes it within a couple of seconds, your defensive plan will fail. The odds are much greater that you will confronted with bodily harm during a road rage incident or during a domestic dispute, which is 100 times more likely to occur than a planned armed assault. I can't teach common sense, nor will I try to.
 
The odds are much greater that you will confronted with bodily harm during a road rage incident

I can't picture a road rage incident where you have time to do all that where you would also be justified in doing all that

or during a domestic dispute, which is 100 times more likely to occur than a planned armed assault.

Why are you involving yourself in someone else's DV incident?

I can't teach common sense, nor will I try to.

But I'm sure a guy with one CHP class and 6 or so months experience carrying a gun has plenty to teach a professional cop with YEARS of experience (Muss not me)

ETA
Ijust finished my CCW class two weeks ago here in Illinois. Inadvertently exposing your firearm is not illegal and not considered brandishing. Also, if you are cited for any gun carrying violations, you are fined $150 for each violation and can have your license revoked, only after the third violation.

posted on 12/09/2014
 
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I guess,since cops rarely get attacked out of nowhere they should just carry without eve a mag in the gun. Chances of them getting mugged or beat up randomly are slim to none. Most often they get a call to show up. Plenty of time there to load
 
Also what do other people's domestic problems have to do with me. And road rage incidents is the last place you want to have an unloaded gun. Not only are you in an uncomfortable position to get to the gun easily but it's also not loaded. One more thing to think about. .....you may not always have the use of both hands. If you find yourself in a fight and using one hand to hold off the attacker who's going to chamber your gun?

Here's a good video on how hard it is to get your gun out let alone chamber it.

https://youtu.be/J_KJ1R2PCMM
 
I was ccw a 6" python in a shoulder holster. I lost it one time. A drug user next door told me I was lucky my truck had a alarm system in it and he couldn't make any money on me. I drew the python and told him if I ever caught him or anyone else in my truck ripping me off I'd shove this up your butt and pull the trigger. His eyes were big as silver dollars. After that if he was outside when I walked out of the house he went in his house. He avoided me for a year. This clown grew up with my three brothers who were punch first ask questions later they were tough if u crossed them. He should of known better to mess with me. My brothers taught me. This was 35 years ago.

My point is yes there was six rounds in the cylinder.
 
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I'll start by saying the today's L/E's received much better training than those of us who started the job in the 1970's.

But remember that now as then to many cops firearms are just one more tool then carry to do the job. So many of today's L/E's are not firearm experts.

TO those of you who are currently on the Job, please understand that the above is not a shot. You are doing a job that I'm not sure I would want to have to do in the current way society treats each other and you.
 
opinion on escalation

His position was that when "off-duty" he carried without one in the chamber. Reason being that during a confrontation, racking the slide put him in a "combat state of mind" and would intimidate the other party into backing down.

There's bad escalation and good escalation.

In general I'd say the situation presented in this example is bad escalation.

On the other hand I like escalating a beer from the table top to my mouth. That's an example of good escalation.
 
I feel bad and really respect the LEO's of today. It's bad in some areas. It's escalating out of control. Even with some of the strictest gun laws in the country the murder rate is up. The people in Newtown should be proud of what they done.
 
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I guess,since cops rarely get attacked out of nowhere they should just carry without eve a mag in the gun. Chances of them getting mugged or beat up randomly are slim to none. Most often they get a call to show up. Plenty of time there to load

I wish that were true. Unfortunately, most law enforcement shootings are at close range with little or no warning. There are times when I am responding to an incident where there is a strong possibility that there may be armed resistance. Then I deploy my rifle. Eating pizza? Walking out of the barracks? Checking out an abandoned car? All low threat scenarios yet officers were murdered. Officers have to be ready for instant response to surprise attack at all times.


2014: A Terrible Year for Ambushes
On January 30th, Sergeant Cory Wride of the Utah County (Utah) Sheriff's Office was shot and killed from ambush while checking on what he believed was an abandoned vehicle. He is survived by his wife and five children.

On March 19th, Deputy Ricky Del Fiorentino of the Mendocino County (Calif.) Sheriff's Office was shot and killed from ambush while searching for a subject who had abducted two people earlier in the day.

On May 1st, Sergeant Patrick Scott Johnson and Trooper Gabriel Rich — both of the Alaska State Troopers — were shot and killed by ambush while investigating reports that a person had brandished a firearm in the village of Tanana several days earlier. Rich is survived by his two sons, fiancé, and parents. Johnson is survived by his wife, three daughters, parents, and siblings.

On May 30th, Officer Brian Jones of the Norfolk (Va.) Police Department was shot and killed from ambush while investigating the killing of a 17-year-old boy earlier that day. Officer Jones was a U.S. Navy veteran and is survived by his wife and three young children.

On June 8th, Officers Igor Soldo and Alyn Beck — both of the Las Vegas (Nev.) Metropolitan Police Department — were shot and killed from ambush execution style without warning while eating lunch at a pizzeria.

On July 6th, Patrolman Jeffrey Brady Westerfield of the Gary (Ind.) Police Department was shot and killed from ambush as he sat in his patrol car. The exact circumstances of his death are unknown, although it's notable that he had responded to the same area on a call earlier in the night. Westerfield is survived by his four daughters and fiancée.

On July 13th, Detective Melvin Santiago of the Jersey City (N.J.) Police Department was shot and killed from ambush as he and his partner responded to a robbery call. Santiago and his partner had just pulled into the parking lot as the gunman exited the building and opened fire on them without warning. Santiago is survived by his mother and stepfather.

On September 7th, Patrolman Nickolaus Schultz of the Merrillville (Ind.) Police Department succumbed to gunshot wounds sustained two days earlier when he was shot and killed from ambush. The was wearing body armor but decided to commit suicide after murdering Patrolman Schultz.

On September 12th, Corporal Bryon Keith Dickson, II — of the Pennsylvania State Police — was shot and killed from ambush as he emerged from the front door of the barracks where he worked. Dickson was a U.S. Marine Corps veteran and is survived by his wife and two sons.

On November 22nd, Deputy Sheriff Christopher Smith of the Leon County (Fla.) Sheriff's Office was shot from ambush as he responded to a house fire. It is believed that the assailant intentionally set the fire with the intention to kill responders. Smith is survived by his wife and children.

On December 20th, Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos — both of the New York City Police Department — were shot and killed from ambush when a subject walked up to their patrol car and opened fire with a handgun, striking them both in the head and upper body multiple times. Ramos is survived by his wife and two sons. Liu is survived by his wife of two months.

On December 21st, Officer Charlie Kondek of the Tarpon Springs (Fla.) Police Department was shot and killed from ambush by a gunman who had recently been released from prison on parole. The assassin drove over Officer Kondek as he fled the scene. Kondek is survived by his wife and six children.
 
He was being sarcastic

I know but I still wish it was true. LE or concealed carry, you need to be able to respond quickly. When someone tries to carjack you or rob you or kidnap your trophy wife, that is not the time to be loading your gun. If you are not comfortable with one in the chamber, get a double action revolver (or two or three).
 
Having to, let alone being trained to, cycle a slide on a hand gun before being able to shoot someone as a cop is just stupid. No, he wasn't a police officer..... Having said that, I was watching a show on A&E, I think it was, about police vehicles over the years, which was hosted in part, or which interviewed, in part, Detroit's chief, Isaiah McKinnon, and they showed a couple of DPD bicycle cops rolling up on a dope house, dumping their bicycles, and drawing and cycling the slides on their Glocks. This was before they went to S&W's. Laughed my behind off......
 
Interesting. This person also said that the new .380 ammo had recently been approved for off-duty carry, and was the reason he was selling his LC-9. He had painted the raised lettering and Ruger emblem on the grip white, and said that the reason for that was to not get it mixed up with the other guys' at the range. He said he did the same to his mags, because "guys like to acquire your mags".

It doesn't surprise me that people lie, but it is somewhat surprising to see someone burrow so deeply into a lie.
 
I happen to agree with his explanation. Most confrontations can be stopped cold if the bad guy sees and hears a racking semiautomatic. Unlike the vast majority on this forum, I believe it's wrong, in most cases, to have this attitude that, if I pull my weapon, I'm going to fire mentality. So many handgun carriers on here have said exactly that.
...reaffirmed in subsequent posts.

Look, I hope you don't carry a gun, I really don't. If your mindset is such that you really think "the sound of a racking semiautomatic" is enough to stop a fight, Please, don't carry. If you aren't at least ready to shoot immediately when you draw, don't carry. If you have the idea that drawing a weapon in and of itself is all it takes to stop a fight, definitely don't carry. "Common sense" dictates that introducing a firearm into a situation is only done if you plan on shooting it, not because you think it will scare off the bad guy or some other reason.

As for the rest, insulting people with considerably more experience than you is not going to make people think you "get" this very serious subject. Good luck...
 
Interesting. This person also said that the new .380 ammo had recently been approved for off-duty carry, and was the reason he was selling his LC-9. He had painted the raised lettering and Ruger emblem on the grip white, and said that the reason for that was to not get it mixed up with the other guys' at the range. He said he did the same to his mags, because "guys like to acquire your mags".

It doesn't surprise me that people lie, but it is somewhat surprising to see someone burrow so deeply into a lie.

Dude is not a cop . . . .
 
A couple or three reasonably random thoughts:

1) police officers are not the same breed of men they were when I was younger. A fair number of them are those that were bullies in HS, and they figured out they could take courses for a year and then have a badge that allows them to continue to push people around. And I have experienced it. I am 61, and although I still try to respect LEOs, that respect is nowhere close to where it was when I was in my 30s.

2) If I ever clear leather with my CC piece, it is going to bark. If you take it out to play show and tell, try to bluff someone, that someone is going to take it away from you and kill you with it. It is the absolute last resort, but if they see it they will feel its effects. Period.

3) When said piece clears leather, it will be ready to rock. No justifiable reason on this earth to not have one in the pipe when you are trying to save your own life.

Just my own $.02...
 
2) If I ever clear leather with my CC piece, it is going to bark. If you take it out to play show and tell, try to bluff someone, that someone is going to take it away from you and kill you with it. It is the absolute last resort, but if they see it they will feel its effects. Period.
Most of the self-defense failures I see involve people who didn't actually defend. They:
  • drew but did not fire, instead giving warnings or trying to "negotiate".
  • drew but were not prepared to fire, mostly due to carrying with an empty chamber.
I don't feel that I MUST shoot if I draw. But I will ONLY draw to shoot.

There's an infinitesimal chance that I might not shoot once I draw, and then only if my assailant flees before attacking, or renders himself harmless beyond all doubt. However, that window of opportunity for my assailant is razor thin. The odds of him squeezing through it are vanishingly small.

If you don't like getting shot, you shouldn't do things that would convince a reasonable person that you NEED to be shot. If you ignore that eminently sensible advice, I haven't an iota of sympathy for you.
 
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