Optimized .357 barrel length?

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Yup I realize it depends on intended use but let’s say for small to medium game hunting and target shooting out to 100y with iron sights. What length barrel would best optimize the cartridge both in factory and hand loads using modern projos and propellants? I’m thinking something between 7-8 3/8”.
 
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Hunting with a .357 Magnum revolver with iron sights at 100 yards will lead to a lot of unnecessary suffering due to injured but not killed animals, independent of barrel lenght. That's what rifles are for, and capable hunting rifles are much cheaper than handguns suitable for precision shooting at 100 yards.
 
Many years ago I shot woodchucks in Vermont with the first S&W 357 I owned, it was 8 3/8 27-2. Don't think I ever shot one as far out as 100 yards and certainly couldn't hit one at that range these days. I think I'd reduce the range being considered, increase the caliber, and go with whatever barrel length available. If I were to hunt with a handgun these days it probably would be with the Performance Center 657 shown below, with an optical sight and ranges well under 100 yards. Good luck.

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Don't know what you are hunting but I used a 4" Colt Trooper when calling coyotes & bobcats because that was my most accurate revolver. The longest shot was stepped off at 103 yards and the cat dropped in her tracks just like the closer shots. When hunting deer the 357 stayed home and the 8 3/8" model 29 came out.
 
Don't know what you are hunting but I used a 4" Colt Trooper when calling coyotes & bobcats because that was my most accurate revolver. The longest shot was stepped off at 103 yards and the cat dropped in her tracks just like the closer shots.

The problem is not energy, a hot .357 Mag round shot from a reasonably long barrel (6"+) will still have the energy of a 9mm Luger at the muzzle at 100 yards, more than enough for small game. The problem is shot placement. The cat from your story was hit at the right spot by pure luck. If you put a 4" Colt Trooper in a Ransom rest and shoot at a paper target 100 yards away, you'll get real sad real fast. I've shot several long-barreled revolvers at 109 yards, under ideal conditions (perfect light, no wind, static target, shooting rest) at an indoor range, including a 629-8 PC 8 3/8" (LPA sights), an 8" MR73 and a Korth NXS with weight, comp and gold bead precision sight. You just can't reliably make head/lung/heart shots with iron sights at these distances. Average bullet drop alone will be 5"+.

The long-barreled 460s with scopes are a different story, they can reach out to 100 yards. I have some limited experience with the 14" on a tripod, and it is impressive for a handgun.
 
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A longer barrel length will give you a longer sight plane which will increase accuracy potential. Back in the day when I had good eyes, we used to shoot bowling pins at 50 yards off hand. At 100 yards, if I hit 3 or 4 out of 6, I considered it a good day. Great fun with targets. Game however, is not always standing still or broadside.
 
Back in the day I could consistently hit a pie plate at 100 yrds with my 6" 629-1 using a towel and the roof of my car for a rest. Using gas checked cast wheel weights 240gr SWC. I don't recall the powder info. The towel got shredded but the paint survived.
 
Something to think about. Some folks have better vision than others and can hold a gun steadier. Just because you can't ethically and accurately make a long shot doesn't mean someone else cannot. I could shoot far better when my eyes were younger with irons than I can now. At 25 years old I could shoot my 6.5" taurus 357 mag at 100 yards into a 6" group easily off hand. Today, not a chance. Even with contact lenses that give me 20-20 vision reading the chart, I just can't focus on the sights and target the same. And sure can't hold it as still.

With a scope and my handloads off a sandbag, that gun will do 2" groups at 100 yards.

Rosewood
 
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Stand hunting? Shooting from a rest? Do you hunt with the gun in hand or will you have to draw it from a holster when you think you might have a shot upcoming?
A 5" bbl might be the best compromise between handling and usefulness. If you have to draw a 8" bbl when not wanting to attract attention to yourself it will probably not be a quick process.
My best day with a 22 auto was 8 hits out of 10 on a 8" iron plate standing. Find some old volleyballs as they are the size of a kill zone on a deer and scatter them between 70-100 yards. When you can place 6 out of 6 shots in the ball you are ready to hunt at that range.
 
I got on a long-barreled kick in 1980 and ended up with 8 3/8-inch Smith & Wesson Models 14,17,27, and 29.

Ran extensive handloading tests on the center fires using all the "usual suspect" powders through them as well as shorter barrel lengths on hand for the cartridges.

Determined that in the .357 Model 27 2400 provided the most velocity performance with 158 grain bullets, both jacketed and cast over H110, Blue Dot, AL8, Unique, and IMR 4227.

As an aside, H110 turned in the best performance in .44 Magnum. 2400 gave highest velocity in the Model 14 with 158 grain cast bullets. Unique was more kind to the revolver for general purpose use. I did take my first handgun shot deer with the Model 14 .38 Special, a 200 grain lead bullet over a charge of 2400.

In 1982 a "real deal" came up on a new 6-inch Model 27-2 so it came home to roost. I ran the same course of powder tests through it to find that it gave 100-150 fps more velocity across the board than the 8 3/8-inch. The barrel/cylinder gap wasn't the problem. I'd read of "slow barrels" so I assumed the 8 3/8-inch just had a slow barrel. It ultimately went away when I determined that 8 3/8-inch barrels were a bit awkward for some applications.

Back while I still had that long-snouted Model 27 I once holstered it up as the side arm for an evening of varmint calling. A friend and I were in the back of a pickup and I was wailing away on a call. An owl got in our hair and kept on coming so I hauled out all that Model 27 ordnance and used it to flail at him with the barrel. I was young and dumb. I warded him off and we remained unscathed and the Model 27 was none the worse for the wear.

The friend had never been varmint calling that night and was skeptical, but I made a believer out of him, especially after he got a coyote later that evening with his .243.

I'd say 6-inch Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum barrels will extract most all of the goodness out of the .357 Magnum cartridge that one needs to apply to handgun chores.

I kept three of those four long barreled Smith & Wessons as well as the 6-inch Model 27. I have reached that certain age where they are again in favor. In fact, I sometimes wish they had 18 3/8-inch barrels.
 
... At 25 years old I could shoot my 6.5" taurus 357 mag at 100 yards into a 6" group easily off hand. ... With a scope and my handloads off a sandbag, that gun will do 2" groups at 100 yards.

With all due respect, the very best 6" competition revolvers in .357 Mag using the best precision cartridge selected for the individual revolver will do 6.5" groups at 100 yards from a Ransom rest under ideal conditions. No handgun can do 2" groups at 100 yards.
 
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With all due respect, the very best 6" competition revolvers in .357 Mag using the best precision cartridge selected for the individual revolver will do 6.5" groups at 100 yards from a Ransom rest under ideal conditions. No handgun can do 2" groups at 100 yards.

I can and have proven otherwise. Maybe yours can't.

Rosewood
 
Found a couple of 50 yard targets. Can't lay my hands on the 100 yard, but do remember the 158 grain being better than the 185 in these targets. If I can find it, will post it. Obviously didn't shoot as good on both targets, but mathematically, one is 1.882 moa and other is 3.7. Posted both so you wouldn't think I was making it up.


Bet there are others on here that have shot better groups than this with a revolver.

Rosewood
 

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