godlessgael
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One's mother generally is present at one's birth, well....... 100% of the time.
Orders revoked for soldier challenging Obama's place of birth...
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One's mother generally is present at one's birth, well....... 100% of the time.
CelticSire
US Veteran
The certificate of live birth produced by Obama is computer generated and printed on a laser printer on a form that shows a revision date of 2001. It does not even rise to the standards of proof that I am required to meet when introducing documents into a court record in a misdemeanor case, let alone stand as proof of eligibility for holding the Office of POTUS.
R. Walter
Member
Oh my! The Obama Birth Conspiracy, again on this forum. It was dealt with in a long thread at least 3 - 4 months ago right here by many of you same members. Through many of your fine [paranoid] efforts, this may possibly rank right up there with the 'Grassy Knoll' and Roswell UFO's someday. Have fun with it!
GatorFarmer
Member
Regarding part one, I think that the conspiracy theories are centered on the idea of the "natural born" citizen mentioned in the Constitution. But since John McCain - born in Panama in a military hospital was found to be natural born, there's little reason to suspect that even if Obama was born in Kenya, that he wouldn't be found to be the same as a "natural born" citizen. The general consensus is that this clause only excludes those who were not born of at least one U.S. parent and became citizens later. Thus the Governator of California can't ever become the Presinator.
However, another variant of the Obama birth conspiracy is that his claimed mother isn't his real mother, but just pretended to be his mother for reason or reasons unknown.
Technically, there was one uprising in the U.S. military, it was the American Civil War - lots of officers decamped to the Confederate cause, among the most notable being when Robert E. Lee refused command of the Union Army in the field to go back to Virginia. However, it was rather big news at the time and folks noticed it unlike the allegations in the original article.
For those interested, here's a reference to the citizenship of those born abroad from one citizen parent and one alien parent Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad
USAF385
US Veteran
+100! Maybe some of us took the oath more seriously than others?
As far as the birth certificate goes, I think this will be a controversy for the rest of time for some folks. Even if he produces and actual certificate, there will be those who claim it's a fake.
Oh and by the way.. when I first swore in, Bush was president.. when I swore in again after 4 years, he STILL was the president and I really didn't care for him... but I wasn't signing up to serve Bush, I was serving the country and Bush happened to be the man in charge, so I'd follow his orders.
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Denver Dick
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Just another weekend warrior who doesn't want to go play in the sand. 
I didn't vote for BO and do not care for his policies . . . at all. However, Major CS should obey orders or resign his commission.
As for the birth certificate thing, I think that's a proper issue for the politicos to keep looking into. It is not, however, an issue for the U.S. military to be concerned with. Issues such as does BO meet the Constitutional requirements to serve as President are for Congress and the Supreme Court to consider and act upon, not some field grade officer. When the issue regarding the Florida ballots arose during the 2000 election, it was dealt with by the Supreme Court and not by the Joint Chiefs, and cetainly not by some CS major . . .
JMO . . .
I didn't vote for BO and do not care for his policies . . . at all. However, Major CS should obey orders or resign his commission.As for the birth certificate thing, I think that's a proper issue for the politicos to keep looking into. It is not, however, an issue for the U.S. military to be concerned with. Issues such as does BO meet the Constitutional requirements to serve as President are for Congress and the Supreme Court to consider and act upon, not some field grade officer. When the issue regarding the Florida ballots arose during the 2000 election, it was dealt with by the Supreme Court and not by the Joint Chiefs, and cetainly not by some CS major . . .
JMO . . .
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imjin138
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I din't think of the War between the States, when I was typing my answer but you are correct, those officers that went south took the same oath as those that went north and some of them paid a very high price in the end.
During the time of the bonus marchers the government used active troops to enforce the law the officers in that event included Patton, MacAuther, Eisenhower and Marshall. the governement was worried about communist agitators and turned the military loose on it's own veterans.
I have read that after the Bay of pigs General Lemay, was not a happy camper with JFK and not a whole lot generals were, but that could be a little Oliver Stone creeping in.
I think the Army will deal with it's officer in the courtroom and he may have to do time or resign or both. I am sure if an enlisted man said he was not going he would be on the next thing smoking.
During the time of the bonus marchers the government used active troops to enforce the law the officers in that event included Patton, MacAuther, Eisenhower and Marshall. the governement was worried about communist agitators and turned the military loose on it's own veterans.
I have read that after the Bay of pigs General Lemay, was not a happy camper with JFK and not a whole lot generals were, but that could be a little Oliver Stone creeping in.
I think the Army will deal with it's officer in the courtroom and he may have to do time or resign or both. I am sure if an enlisted man said he was not going he would be on the next thing smoking.
I think the movie was "Seven Days in May." Great story.
Anyone who thinks "Bring it on" is a rational response to a new civil war is not really considering the enormous ugliness of such a reality. Joe
GatorFarmer
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LeMay eventually ran for VP on the Wallace-LeMay ticket. It was a good alternative for those who felt Nixon was too much of a closet Commie.
The usual punishment for enlisted that refused to go to Iraq for various reasons (usually claims that the war was illegal) was a year to 15 months imprisonment and an OTH.
Lt. Watada refused to go to Iraq, believing the war was illegal, which resulted in a prolonged series of legal battles Ehren Watada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia which came to no clear conclusion and eventually it seems as though the decision was made to just make it all go away.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
Someone sent me this. What do you think?
: FW: Fwd: Obama birth issue
While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so
yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question:
What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta and Karachi ?
So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the
price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?
And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport
was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?
The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.
It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.
Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at
age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission.
Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.
Conclusion:
When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British
passport or an Indonesian passport.
If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya
20 on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were
traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that
he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held British or
American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian stepfather in 1967.
Whatever the truth of the matter,the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural
born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008..
Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated
by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he
has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all
this, the better.
If you Don't care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the
Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon.
If you do care then Forward this!
: FW: Fwd: Obama birth issue
While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so
yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question:
What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta and Karachi ?
So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the
price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?
And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport
was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?
The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.
It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.
Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at
age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission.
Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.
Conclusion:
When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British
passport or an Indonesian passport.
If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya
20 on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were
traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that
he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held British or
American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian stepfather in 1967.
Whatever the truth of the matter,the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural
born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008..
Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated
by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he
has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all
this, the better.
If you Don't care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the
Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon.
If you do care then Forward this!
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Congratulations! You have posted the biggest croc of ...."stuff", seen on this forum in quite a some time. Complete and utter nonsense! Obviously you have never served and have no concept whatsoever of how the military operates. Orders in the military get changed all the time for any number of reasons, most of which are never explained.
Do you really believe that the military is not going to follow legitimate orders from the CIC over this nonsensical, long ago settled issue? The man IS the president of the United States, get over it. I am always amazed that with all of the legitimate issues that one can challenge Obama on, that garbage like this keeps crawling back. Karl Rove must be so proud.
Denver Dick
US Veteran
Well, I wouldn't call it an "uprising in the U.S. military." The home states of the officers had already seceded from the Union before recalling their officers. The state and federal politicians placed the officers in a very difficult situation. Many had sworn allegiance to their home states before any oath to the federal government. Besides, there's no law against an officer resigning his commission and returning home. And, if home is no longer part of the Union, well . . .
Snapping Twig
Member
WRONG!
It was never produced. A document from Hawaii was produced, of healthy infant, but not a birth certificate - that's back in Kenya.
obama is a scam from the get go.
It was never produced. A document from Hawaii was produced, of healthy infant, but not a birth certificate - that's back in Kenya.
obama is a scam from the get go.
GatorFarmer
Member
There's no real motive for obscuring the place of birth. Being born of a U.S. mother overseas likely meets the test for natural born citizen for the simple reason that the U.S. citizenship is obtained at birth. Doesn't matter if Obama was born in Kenya and then taken back to the U.S. as an infant, his mother's citizenship confers U.S. citizenship onto him.
The general weight of opinion currently is that only someone who has become a naturalized citizen - currently Gov. Arnie of California is the best known politician that this would apply to, rather than one who gained citizenship from parentage, would be barred from being POTUS. Thus Obama would have had to have not been a U.S. citizen at birth and become one later, but there's no evidence to suggest that this was the case.
McCain, born in Panama to U.S. parents, was found to be eligible to be President (if he'd been elected). Being born of a legal citizen U.S. mother abroad - is she'd spent enough time in the U.S., still makes one a citizen by birth right. That's the case even if the father is not a citizen.
Even if the mother was unmarried, and has a child abroad by an alien, that child is still considered a citizen by right of birth. (One conspiracy theory was that Obama's father's marriage to his mother was never legal. Even if that was the case, it wouldn't matter.)
If one wants to go with the conspiracy angle, then they need to go with an advanced version, such as the original baby Obama dying soon after birth and a random Kenyan child being substituted, a different birth mother, or that medical intervention took place and the embryo that became Obama was raised in a different womb (the biological mother doesn't actually have to technically be present at birth) or something else in the realm of the implausible/high strangeness.
One also has to fill out paperwork in order to become President that amounts to a security screening. This was, years ago, how we learned that Bill Clinton didn't inhale. This paperwork would have been processed by officials under what was then still the Bush administration. What possible motive would the Bush administration have had to participate in a cover up to assist a member of a rival political party? (That would be an entire seperate conspiracy, such as cutting a deal to avoid prosecution for past misdeeds I suppose.)
The general weight of opinion currently is that only someone who has become a naturalized citizen - currently Gov. Arnie of California is the best known politician that this would apply to, rather than one who gained citizenship from parentage, would be barred from being POTUS. Thus Obama would have had to have not been a U.S. citizen at birth and become one later, but there's no evidence to suggest that this was the case.
McCain, born in Panama to U.S. parents, was found to be eligible to be President (if he'd been elected). Being born of a legal citizen U.S. mother abroad - is she'd spent enough time in the U.S., still makes one a citizen by birth right. That's the case even if the father is not a citizen.
Even if the mother was unmarried, and has a child abroad by an alien, that child is still considered a citizen by right of birth. (One conspiracy theory was that Obama's father's marriage to his mother was never legal. Even if that was the case, it wouldn't matter.)
If one wants to go with the conspiracy angle, then they need to go with an advanced version, such as the original baby Obama dying soon after birth and a random Kenyan child being substituted, a different birth mother, or that medical intervention took place and the embryo that became Obama was raised in a different womb (the biological mother doesn't actually have to technically be present at birth) or something else in the realm of the implausible/high strangeness.
One also has to fill out paperwork in order to become President that amounts to a security screening. This was, years ago, how we learned that Bill Clinton didn't inhale. This paperwork would have been processed by officials under what was then still the Bush administration. What possible motive would the Bush administration have had to participate in a cover up to assist a member of a rival political party? (That would be an entire seperate conspiracy, such as cutting a deal to avoid prosecution for past misdeeds I suppose.)
Smitty500Mag
Member
Grand was supposed to have been in front of Mother. Thanks for pointing that out.
Smitty
Obama's birth in Honolulu on August 4, 1961 was reported contemporaneously by two Honolulu papers. Anybody who still thinks he was born elsewhere is certifiably mentally ill, which would disqualify them for a carry permit in my state, and probably yours.
357_mag_mama
Member
Boy, you can sure tell who's a Dem and who's not by what snotty answers they give about BO's not produced/non-existant long-form birth certificate!
His Grandmother says he was "born" in Kenya. Is she a damned liar? I'm confused.
Watch this as well.........
YouTube - Barack Obama - Born in Kenya II
Watch this as well.........
YouTube - Barack Obama - Born in Kenya II
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