Oregon legislature adds unreasonable manufacturing requirements

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"A new bill submitted yesterday in the Oregon legislature adds unreasonable manufacturing requirements that would have the effect of outlawing all basic Gunsmithing services.

The bill would also stipulate adding economically impossible additions to all semi auto firearms manufacturing in addition to gunsmithing repairs.

www.leg.state.or.us/11reg/measpdf/sb0600.dir/sb0659.intro.pdf

Here's the summary:

Prohibits manufacturing, selling or rebuilding firearm without chamber load indicator.
Prohibits manufacturing, selling or rebuilding semiautomatic pistol without magazine disconnect mechanism.
Prohibits removing or disabling chamber load indicator or magazine disconnect mechanism.
Punishes violation by maximum of one year's imprisonment, $6,250 fine, or both. Punishes sub-sequent violations by maximum of five years' imprisonment, $125,000 fine, or both.
Becomes operative January 1, 2013."

Oregon Senate Bill Sb0659 Gunsmithing Ban Bill

Oregon Bill To Outlaw Gunsmithing Services Unless Expensive Upgrades Are Included
 
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politicians! :mad:
can't live with em, can't hang em :rolleyes:
 
Time for a recall petition to be circulated around the state for these anti-gun zelots to be fired from their positions.
 
Love my state, wish I could say the same for some of the politicians. Bet the ones that came up with this are from ether Portland or Eugene.
 
Does Oregon have a grass-roots gun-organization? If not, it may be time to organize and fight to rid the legislature of these zealots. Votes do count.
If they did not, we would have more than we have ever seen coming out of Washington, DC.

Organize, letter write all of the legislature, not only your district rep. Show them now that there is another part of Oregon other than just than Portland or Eugene.
 
Sorry but I do not see these laws as a problem.

Most autoloaders have the loaded chamber indicator and it can be as simple as a small hole over the round. I have three semis that have it. Many of my older autoloaders do not but the newest ones do.

A mag release is about as common as anything on a semi. Never had a semi handgun that did not have a mag release. High power rifles is another matter but it is all a moot point that is decided in design and would not add much to the cost of building a firearm.
 
Magazine disconnects are not on all semi-autos. A magazine release is an entirely different animal. All semi-autos have magazine releases of some sort. One needs to be able to drop the magazine.

Magazine disconnects prohibit firing of the semi-auto if the magazine is not in the firearm. It is a feature that some people do not wish to have on their firearm.
 
luangtom said:
Magazine disconnects are not on all semi-autos. A magazine release is an entirely different animal. All semi-autos have magazine releases of some sort. One needs to be able to drop the magazine.

Magazine disconnects prohibit firing of the semi-auto if the magazine is not in the firearm. It is a feature that some people do not wish to have on their firearm.
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As a LEO, you likely have gone through courses where it was taught that losing a mag during a scuffle has saved many lives. The actor gets the gun and the lack of a magazine prevents it from firing.

Still, a mag disconnect is easy to draw into a design and not expensive to build into a firearm.
 
oldman45 said:
As a LEO, you likely have gone through courses where it was taught that losing a mag during a scuffle has saved many lives. The actor gets the gun and the lack of a magazine prevents it from firing.

Still, a mag disconnect is easy to draw into a design and not expensive to build into a firearm.
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double edged sword.

as an LEO you might know of a time or two when changing a magazine left the LEO as a sitting duck when his loaded but unshootable gun had the reload magazine fumbled and dropped during stress and luckily a second magazine was retrieved instead of trying to look for the dropped one on the ground in the dark.

mag disconnector? no thanks, id rather have at least a single shot than a no shot. but each to their own i say, but oregon has taken that choice away from you.
 
oldman45 said:
Sorry but I do not see these laws as a problem.

Most autoloaders have the loaded chamber indicator and it can be as simple as a small hole over the round. I have three semis that have it. Many of my older autoloaders do not but the newest ones do.

A mag release is about as common as anything on a semi. Never had a semi handgun that did not have a mag release. High power rifles is another matter but it is all a moot point that is decided in design and would not add much to the cost of building a firearm.
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The law is a huge problem, and cost of manufacture is by far the least of the issues.

The issue is that there are folks who don't want these 'features' on their handgun. Sure ... a functional chamber loaded indicator can be as simple as a small hole over the round. But to be legal under this law that's not enough. The requirement is that the gun will also have Ruger-esque warnings in a clearly visible location.

(4) A chamber load indicator described in this section must:
(a) Be readily visible;
(b) Contain incorporated or adjacent explanatory text or graphics; and
(c) Provide notice to a reasonable person, without reference to any resource other than the firearm itself, whether a cartridge is in the firing chamber.
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As for the magazine disconnect - it would seem from reading forums that it is of debatable worth. Given so many laws are written and pushed by folks who might think a barrel shroud is "a shoulder thing that goes up", well ...

And it's not only about manufacuring these features into new firearms :

(2) It is unlawful for any person to rebuild:
(a) A firearm, unless the firearm is rebuilt with a chamber load indicator.
(b) A semiautomatic pistol, unless the semiautomatic pistol is rebuilt with a magazine disconnect mechanism.
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While the entire law is disturbing, this is (imo) by far the worst bit of it.

Not to mention the legal questions raised by the fact that they don't ever define what they mean by "rebuilt". Does that mean you can't put a match barrel in your bullseye gun unless the gunsmith now builds a magazine disconnect, drills a new hole into the chamber, and writes a warning about it on the barrel? How about an action job? Night sites?


ETA: What is a 'legal' chamber loaded indicator going to look like on a wheel gun?
 
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I'm an Oregonian, so this one hits me personally if it were to pass.

I read the bill. Without going into all the problematic details, I'll just mention what was in the very first section that raised my hackles:

"SECTION 1. (1) It is unlawful for any person to manufacture or sell:
(a) A firearm, unless the firearm is equipped with a chamber load indicator.
(b) A semiautomatic pistol, unless the semiautomatic pistol is equipped with a magazine
disconnect mechanism." (Emphasis added).

So, for just one example, it would be a class A misdemeanor (up to one year in jail and/or fines) for me to sell my Colt Government Model .45 as a private individual if I were not to first add a magazine disconnect and a "chamber load indicator"! And this "chamber load indicator" part of the law applies to all firearms, not just pistols! I've got a bunch of guns that would have to be modified before I could sell them!

By the way, just what is a "chamber load indicator"? Are we to assume that it is the same as a "loaded chamber indicator"? These folks either aren't very gun savvy (probably true), or they purposely used terms that a bureaucrat can define at their pleasure at a later date (possibly true) – just something else to think about.

In Pursuit,
 
Sorry but I do not see these laws as a problem.
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You must have missed the part about NO grandfather clause; this prevents the transfer OR REPAIR of all existing guns in the state without the required features, without regard to practicality or cost.

I'm sure you'd object to your 1935 engraved registered magnum revolver (for example) being butchered and having its value destroyed.
 
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As I understand it, the folks in Eugene and Portland rule the politics of the rest of the state. They also tend to be very liberal, and in many cases anti-gun. They may think that if the law saves just one childs life, or the life of one person, it is a small price to pay.

Its the same way in many other states, folks in the rural areas and small towns tend to be more conservative and common sense in their approach to politics. Large urban areas tend to be more liberal, anti-gun and one size fits all in their political approach.

Personally I think the proposed laws bring more problems than they solve, and are anti-choice, but I don't have to live with them either.
 
I have a BIL in oregon. He says it used to be a fine place until all the liberal a hs from that state south of them moved up there
 
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