Over 50 and looking for work, like I am?

Vigil617, I commiserate with your plight. My wife has been laid off a couple of times, and might be looking at that again in June. In her case, she's old enough to retire, but with a reduced pension.

The two times she was previously laid off, it took her a longish time to find new jobs. She's a teacher, and I think the reason she was hired, is that her field is dying and there aren't any young teachers getting that certification.

Still, I strong feel that there is subtle, and not so subtle, discrimination against people over 50. I've been told that it's actually people over 40, but I can't speak to that.

Even in teaching, where there is job security once you achieve tenure, administrators are more critical of older teachers. They use subtle terms such as "does not keep up with current trends in pedagogy", "is not able to integrate newer technologies into their lessons", and "does not use current techniques to evaluate students". All of which I take to mean "Comes from a different time when students were actually expected to learn." The principal at her current school told her that she should either find You Tube videos that the kids could watch to learn how to do things OR make her own. :rolleyes:

I faced some of that as well before I retired. I applied for a promotion to a management position for which I was the most qualified AND the most senior applicant. At some point in the process, I was told that upper management was looking for "the future leaders of the department". Which I took to mean that people like me, who were within five years of being able to retire, were not what they were looking for. Sure enough the two people who were promoted had 15-20 years less experience in the agency.

Flundertaker has some valid points, although I think they are for the wrong reasons.

Companies don't want those employees because they are less willing to tolerate the lousy pay and crappy working conditions that a lot of employers think are okay in this economy. Also, insuring those employees might cost more and it's also likely that we'll have more medical issues and thus miss work.

Companies are bottom line driven, and I understand that. However, I've long suspected that many managers don't understand the different between price and value. More experienced employees are less likely to walk away from the job if something better comes along, they have a better work ethic, and understand that "partying" is less important than showing up to work when you said you would.

Those are things that I would say if I was interviewing for a job. Probably more subtly than that, but I'd convey the message.

When I retired from EMS at 59, I was still a better worker than people my kids age. I think that most of us in my age bracket retain a pretty good attitude towards work.

My daughter was a paralegal for a number of years and she was always looking out for new job opportunities. In talking with friends of mine who are lawyers I found that many of them didn't hire paralegals because their practices weren't large enough and/or for just a bit more money they could hire recent law school grads, with or without bar licenses, who could do everything a paralegal could, plus more.

Finally, and I don't know if this applies to you at all, if I needed a job, I'd consider one of those car services, like Uber or Lyft. It's sort of self employment, but with a network to help get work.

Keep plugging away, and don't lose hope. Something will pop up.
 
Thanks for the suggestions and observations, all. I appreciate them.

Being a veteran hasn't helped me at all in the search so far, which is disappointing. Most job applications (almost all of which are online now, so you don't ever talk to a live person unless you're selected for an interview) ask about military experience, veterans preference status, etc. and I always dutifully and proudly check the appropriate boxes and even submit an electronic copy of my now-crinkly and yellowed DD214 from the mid-80s. :)

As for interviews, I've tried to take the approach that every time I get turned down, it just means I'm that much closer to getting a job offer the next time around. (I just didn't count on needing so many interviews in the meantime. :) )

Government jobs (state and federal) are listed fairly regularly, but landing an interview from the dozens (probably hundreds) of applications they receive is another story altogether.

I know that this too will pass, and I'm keeping a positive attitude (most days), and I'll sure let all of you know when I'm back at work again. Thanks.
 
This current job market makes me very glad that I became self-employed 24 years ago so I can work as much or as little as I want to now.
If you have skills or interests that could be self-marketed I highly recommend it.

I was self-employed for awhile earlier in life, but my boss was a . . . well I won't go there... ;):D
 
I'm there too. That's the private sector! :):)They put a little girly leech over me and she was determined to get rid of me because I made too much money. Hey, I survived a war 'intact' and used my vets benefits to get an education so I could eventually earn that money, but these ambitious little vampires, especially those who got their jobs through mommy and daddy's connections, don't give to farts about you or your family. REINSTATE THE MILITARY DRAFT! That will thin out the job market in a hurry.
 
You need to be a chameleon to survive in this environment. I have had 6 "careers" in the almost 50 years I have worked. I was out of a $100K job because I made too much and a youngster fresh out of college (with the top buttons of her blouse undone) can sell pills for half the money. Even if you are in top 10 of 300 territories. We all got war stories but "getting after it" is what's important. The only lesson I got from the preceding tale of woe is that it's a lot easier going from $40K to $100+K than the return trip. Keep your head up and let the prospective employer know that putting you on the payroll will make his life better. Joe
 
Have you looked into any of the real estate firms? My wife's cousin did a lot of work for real estate firms as a paralegal. With all the military in your area there should be a pretty active real estate market.
 
I'm 61, and have not had a full time job for 5 years. That being said, I average anywhere from 35-60 hours a week from 3 different part time jobs. One W2 job and 2 1099 contract jobs. Taking this week for example, I was looking at 10-15 hours for the week. Then got a request today to work Thursday - Saturday-10 hours per day, so will end up with my average.

I gave up on the job search for a "real job" about 2 years ago. I have averaged a job interview every other month, even have had 2nd interviews, but have not been offered a position.

Fortunately, my wife has a good job and she puts up with me; so as long as she doesn't kick me out, it looks like I will survive all right.:)
 
My advice is go hit the temp agencies! A friend is a recruiter for one and she said more and more employers everyday are hiring from the temp agencies and not using their own human resources departments. It's cheaper for the employer that way and if you let someone go even after a long time, you don't get dinged on the unemployment compensation. Many companies will later hire the temp full time if they really like them. If I was looking for a job that would be the first place I would go, because even working a little is good on your wallet and your morale.
 
I am almost 65 and wake up unemployed every day. Although I am self employed and have been so for most of my life.

I could not imagine driving in rush hour traffic an hour and sometimes more each way and then work for some unappreciative *** that probably knows less than you.

My heart goes out to you all that are in that rat race or have fallen out of the rat race and are trying to climb back in. I just couldn't do it. ;)
 
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I lost my job at 67....downsizing after 36 yrs. I was blessed ,had enough put away & a good Finacial Adv.I'm 71 now & enjoying retirement! They offered me a contractor job at my former location & didn't appreciate my answer.....haven't bothered me since! I now keep an eye on my $$$ just in case....I've learned!!!
Jim
 
Unfortunately, it's all about who you know. It took me a few years to get my foot in the door with the government. I went through several job interviews in the private and public sector, even going through a few rounds of interviews, and didn't get any offers.

I finally got picked up by my agency, which is dominated by retired local LEOs. Honestly, I lucked out. My supervisor is a year or two older than me, and saw me in him. He told his supervisor that he wanted me for one of the open positions. I finally got the job, and I am probably the most productive investigator he supervises, and I work with guys who have 35+ years experience in law enforcement.

I had my resume checked over and changed a few times, practiced interviewing skills with my girlfriend's father (he was a successful businessman), and lit a lot of candles in church. I lucked out because I made a connection with my supervisor.

Working in the public sector now, it's a lot of politics. My girlfriend works for the federal government and it is the same way. I'm low enough that as long as I do my work, I'm left alone. I love my job and what I do. Because I conduct a lot of good quality, thorough investigations, I'm left alone and encouraged to keep doing what I am doing.

Don't give up. Pray a lot. Take any advice you can get. Also don't take anything personal. A few of the jobs I was turned down for in the past, I found out the companies downsized or went under. Just have faith and give your best.
 
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Unfortunately, it's all about who you know. It took me a few years to get my foot in the door with the government. I went through several job interviews in the private and public sector, even going through a few rounds of interviews, and didn't get any offers.

I finally got picked up by my agency, which is dominated by retired local LEOs. Honestly, I lucked out. My supervisor is a year or two older than me, and saw me in him. He told his supervisor that he wanted me for one of the open positions. I finally got the job, and I am probably the most productive investigator he supervises, and I work with guys who have 35+ years experience in law enforcement.

I had my resume checked over and changed a few times, practiced interviewing skills with my girlfriend's father (he was a successful businessman), and lit a lot of candles in church. I lucked out because I made a connection with my supervisor.

Working in the public sector now, it's a lot of politics. My girlfriend works for the federal government and it is the same way. I'm low enough that as long as I do my work, I'm left alone. I love my job and what I do. Because I conduct a lot of good quality, thorough investigations, I'm left alone and encouraged to keep doing what I am doing.

Don't give up. Pray a lot. Take any advice you can get. Also don't take anything personal. A few of the jobs I was turned down for in the past, I found out the companies downsized or went under. Just have faith and give your best.


Yeah some of the managers take advantage of the market as well. I watch the postings all the time and have seen countless jobs post get filled and then re-posted a few months later. Well that really worked out well for you all. Sometimes the managers also take advantage of the market. I have learned especially recently that if an interviewer is truly interested in you then they will come to you and visit you on your schedule not theirs. I can usually tell the ones that are a waste of time and the ones that truly are interested in me.
 
I hate to tell you this, but its not just older workers having a tough time. I have watched my two sons (30 & 35), along with many of their friends, struggle since they got out of school years ago. Lousy, low paying jobs that can end any minute can be found. Lord knows they've had plenty of those. But jobs with a future, possably a career are very few and far between. Even then you get thousands of applicants.
I don't care what lies .gov and the media want to spin. The economy sucks and the job market for everyone sucks even more.
 
I gave up.
I'm over 50 and because of my neuropathy, I couldn't do my old job any longer.
I spent three years looking for work with the help of the West Virginia Rehabilitative Services. No jobs out there for an over 50 gimpy Injun. Even though I more than qualified for Federal Disability, I was reluctant to take that step. I worked hard my entire life and never needed any kind of assistance.
I finally accepted disability and honestly, I'm getting used to the idea of not getting up at 4AM and working 8 to 12 hours for some obscenity yelling poop head.
My wife got a part time job as a home health care aid right here in town. Apparently being a grey haired little old lady helped.
 
I hot laid off at age 56. Just to make it worse, I'm disabled, too. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY will hire a 56 year old disabled man. I worked in an area just completely dominated by young people. People just out of college or tech school.

I hope your luck is better than mine. I finally gave up after two years. I applied to over 700 jobs I was qualified to do. And, in case it matters, I've never collected a nickle in disability from the Government. I don't walk very well, but I still have my pride.
 
Hi Chip:

I'm very sorry to hear about your misfortune. In just over a week, I turn 59 yrs. old, but I lost my job at age 45, and it took almost 2.5 yrs. for me to find a decent job. This occurred back in 2001 when we just thought the job market was going bad. Sheesh, those days look pretty darn good now! A few thoughts that I hope will help you:

1. If you haven't done so already, go to the usajobs.gov website and open an account for yourself. You can set-up email alerts that will ping you when a position that meets your search parameters comes up. If you are able or willing to move, you will get more opportunities.

2. Applying for federal jobs is a lot of work, and it's not necessarily as easy as most people lead you to think it is. Federal hiring regulations are pretty convoluted, and just because you qualify doesn't necessarily mean you will be interviewed or hired. Learn to read and follow the job requirements carefully. I'm an HR (Human Resources) guy with over 25 yrs. of experience and a Master's degree in the field, and I am constantly amazed at people who are eliminated from consideration because they cannot follow instructions.

3. To the greatest degree possible, try not to reveal your age. I know this can be difficult. Don't treat it as a state secret, just try to be discrete. As an example, you can indicate you have a BA degree from the University of ____, just don't put the date you earned your degree. Also, unless required as part of your job application, I would quit providing copies of your DD-214 when you submit your application. Unless you're a veteran, most HR types don't have a clue as to how to read a DD-214, and again, it provides information that can be used to date you.

4. Underemployed is better than unemployed, however, don't take a job that you know won't be good for you. At our age, the one thing that is really important is the "fit" of the job. Trust your instincts and don't be afraid to walk away from something that doesn't feel right.

5. A lot can be said for "self-directed learning" during your period between jobs. Don't get labeled as being "stale" or not keeping your skills current. One of the things I liked to do was check out foreign language CDs from the local library and try to teach myself different languages. I'd bring this up at interviews and it always got positive responses.

6. Try to find a part-time job to bridge the period until you find full-time work. I did a bunch of part-time work, including teaching at the local community college, and I tapped my (local) alma mater for assistance as well (colleges and universities do not want the perception that one of their alumni cannot get a job with one of their degrees). To that end, I had a bunch of part time jobs paid for by different grants provided through my local college's placement and employment center. Everyone of these temporary positions lead to extensions (a 3 day job was extended for several weeks), and everyone of my bosses tried to have my temporary job made into a permanent, full-time position. They weren't able to do so, but they liked my work, so my potential, and were willing to try to help me.

7. If you haven't already done so, develop and hone your "elevator speech", and have it ready. The elevator speech is a very brief, very concise message that does things like telling someone who you are, what you can do, what are you looking for, and what you need from that person. Assume you have unexpectedly met a hiring manager, and s/he says: "tell me about yourself" - that's your cue. So you might say something like: "Good morning, I'm John Doe. Until recently, I was a paralegal with a small legal firm for the past 10 years. I am currently looking for a similar position and was hoping you might be able to advise me."

I hope this helps. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you, and hope for the best.

Regards,

Dave
 
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