Overcoming the "tactical" mindset

[shouldazagged]

Wrong! All three of my family vehicles have the glass ejecting option. Upon any type of impact, the windows fall out, doors unlock, motor turns off, seat belts release, gas tank seals itself while On Star dials 911, GPS gives location and finds me the nearest bar/pizzaria.

Ah, but your 50,000 lumen tactical flashlight could blind the fierce snapping turtles and cottonmouths that infest those ditches. So you haven't covered every eventuality. Anyway, would your foil hat interfere with On Star? Have you tested that?

I hate to say it, but I think you're in deep guacamole.

 

[Smoke]

FWIW I'm far more likely to be on my bike than in my car and my car has manual windows

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

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[shouldazagged]

Hey guys, check this out. "This is not a toy!"

Probably a really stupid question, because I'm way behind the times, but why does such a useful rescue and triage tool need to be called "tactical", and why does it need a black blade?

Actually it would be better with a blade like the Spyderco Rescue that was stolen from my car. It had a one-inch serrated section, at the blunt tip. Much safer for cutting clothing or bandages.

I have a niece and nephew, brother and sister, who are career EMT's. They, and every other EMT I've known, depended more on heavy-duty bandage scissors for most of that kind of cutting anyway.

 

[Smoke]

It has to be black otherwise it ain't tactical

 

[shouldazagged]

It has to be black otherwise it ain't tactical

Then I guess one of my neighbors just threw out some tactical biscuits for the birds.

 

[duppie]

Then I guess one of my neighbors just threw out some tactical biscuits for the birds.

If that be the case,Ive been making "Tactical Toast",Tactical Hamburgers" and Tactical Chickens" for years...come to think of it my last car had a "Tactical Transmission"....who knew?

 

[VictorLouis]

Cool thread, for the most part. I have seen mention of MOST of what many of us consider to be 'routine' EDC items. Gun, knife, light, reload/s. Aside from a few references to use with a duty-belt/uniform, I've seen ZERO mention of less-lethal alternatives.

My EDC always has the routine, PLUS OC and a C2. OC takes up less space than a 1911 mag, and weighs about as much as a quality Parker pen. The C2 is less bulky and lighter than an I-phone. Both of them give me an option other than fisticuffs, when use of the gun simply isn't warranted.

Anyone else?

 

[millisec]

Ok it's old, a little beat and lacks a really cool LED light but it does say "police task force". Guess between that and the cool Colt logo that makes it kinda like tactical therefore tacticool. Always have that in car and it has seat belt cutter and a window breaker. Didn't make it this far to drown like a rat trapped in a car. If nothing else Boy Scouts taught me "be prepared"

 

[shouldazagged]

Cool thread, for the most part. I have seen mention of MOST of what many of us consider to be 'routine' EDC items. Gun, knife, light, reload/s. Aside from a few references to use with a duty-belt/uniform, I've seen ZERO mention of less-lethal alternatives.

Good point. I've often considered OC, just never have gotten around to purchasing it.

 

[DR505]

Good point. I've often considered OC, just never have gotten around to purchasing it.

I don't care for OC. When that is deployed, EVERYONE ends up affected.

 

[Smoke]

Cool thread, for the most part. I have seen mention of MOST of what many of us consider to be 'routine' EDC items. Gun, knife, light, reload/s. Aside from a few references to use with a duty-belt/uniform, I've seen ZERO mention of less-lethal alternatives.

My EDC always has the routine, PLUS OC and a C2. OC takes up less space than a 1911 mag, and weighs about as much as a quality Parker pen. The C2 is less bulky and lighter than an I-phone. Both of them give me an option other than fisticuffs, when use of the gun simply isn't warranted.

Anyone else?

My take is if I have time to stop, consider my options and choose a non lethal weapon I probably didn't need any weapon at all.

 

[Smithsrevenge]

I don't care for OC. When that is deployed, EVERYONE ends up affected.

Sabre red makes a gel oc. No fumes no back spray. Only the sprayed are effected.

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[BillBingham2]

Probably a really stupid question, because I'm way behind the times, but why does such a useful rescue and triage tool need to be called "tactical", and why does it need a black blade?
........

Because the 13 YOs who they are marketing to do not know better.

I used to have the same issue with cameras, then I switched to a Leica rangefinder and my back felt much better. Now it's a little Ricoh GRD or my iPhone.

I've seen several folks trying to CC a full sized Glock on one side, two extended mags on the other under a T-shirt already one size too small.

I don't like feeling like Batman.

 

[SgtLumpy]

I'm humored by some of the tacti-cool crowd. Especially flashlights. I've chuckled while reading some candlepower guys talk about using the proper lubricant on your EDC torch because when your life depends on it you don't want to find out you skimped on flashlight oil.

...

But as a whole, I'm ok with all of that, guns or lights or whatever, as long as they're the good guys - and they categorically are. They're guys that are armed, have cellphones (and probably cellphone backups -BUC's?) and what not. If something happens to me or anyone, I probably feel safer knowing those guys are around vs gangsters and anti gun people being around.

LEOs face that a lot. I had a guy in my jurisdiction that was a "certified school crossing guard". He showed up at every accident scene with a yellow Kojak light on his little Toyota. He had flares and first aid kits and blankets and caution tape and all kinds of stuff in his little car. I'd utilize him whenever I felt it was safe. If I had a car crash with roadblock on a blind curve and I was the only unit there, I'd sure be glad to have him park his car in a good warning spot. Some cops didn't like the guy trying to "get in the way" but I figured I'll take whatever help I can get, as long as he's safe.

I gotta go change the oil and stress test the O rings in my flashlight. Be back in a few.


Sgt Lumpy

 

[Smithsrevenge]

I'm humored by some of the tacti-cool crowd. Especially flashlights. I've chuckled while reading some candlepower guys talk about using the proper lubricant on your EDC torch because when your life depends on it you don't want to find out you skimped on flashlight oil.

...

But as a whole, I'm ok with all of that, guns or lights or whatever, as long as they're the good guys - and they categorically are. They're guys that are armed, have cellphones (and probably cellphone backups -BUC's?) and what not. If something happens to me or anyone, I probably feel safer knowing those guys are around vs gangsters and anti gun people being around.

LEOs face that a lot. I had a guy in my jurisdiction that was a "certified school crossing guard". He showed up at every accident scene with a yellow Kojak light on his little Toyota. He had flares and first aid kits and blankets and caution tape and all kinds of stuff in his little car. I'd utilize him whenever I felt it was safe. If I had a car crash with roadblock on a blind curve and I was the only unit there, I'd sure be glad to have him park his car in a good warning spot. Some cops didn't like the guy trying to "get in the way" but I figured I'll take whatever help I can get, as long as he's safe.

I gotta go change the oil and stress test the O rings in my flashlight. Be back in a few.


Sgt Lumpy

I know exactly what you mean there, One of my guys is obsessed with flashlights and the "need" for them, He has one on every pistol, every shotgun, every rifle....

He spent like $500 on one of those 5.11 tactical pocket deals, Like the size of a sharpie, but 420 Lumen..........One day at the office he was bragging about it, I pulled out my Duty light, Stinger DS-HL, Jabbed him in the kidney with it and laughed saying "mine was $125, its brighter, lasts longer, Made of aircraft grade aluminium, lasts for 55,000 hours on one bulb..... and it does this" and jabbed him again. He realized his tiny super light had a flaw, bad striking tool

A good light is a good thing, But people don't need to over do that stuff, My Sgt still carries a $30 6D cell maglight haha, does the trick just fine for him. No oil required either

 

[lamb]

Pistol, reload, flashlight, phone (preferably with bluetooth earpiece for hands free use), and usually a knife. Pretty much all the time. BUT: first and foremost, pay attention, avoid dumb places unless you are paid to be there; avoid people who do dumb stuff; if you see something that looks like it is going sideways, leave. That's the part that really matters. If I have to use the other gear, something went wrong well before then.

Could not have said it better, I agree if your paying attention chances are you will see it coming.

Thanks,

 

[sac-gunslinger]

If that be the case,Ive been making "Tactical Toast",Tactical Hamburgers" and Tactical Chickens" for years...come to think of it my last car had a "Tactical Transmission"....who knew?

And my car has been running on tactical oil for months.

 

[phenson]

There are no "sportsmen" at the local range or the local gun store these days, only operators and zombie response team members. Everyone wants tactical weapons, because they are constantly imagining themselves in a shootout or other survival situation, which of course, requires as many rounds as possible downrange, with little emphasis placed on accuracy, never just shooting for enjoyment. Honestly, I enjoy "no stress" shooting of cans and other non-tactical targets with my old S&W's that have history and a heritage. I really don't think the high capacity tupperware will ever be collectable, but you can get off 17-30 rounds downrange at those zombies that are overrunning you. As for me, I'll stick with my pre-war 38/44 HD, shooting THE LOAD, remembering Elmer Keith and watching watermelons explode. Oh, and I was in the Army for 24 years.

 

[shouldazagged]

I'm humored by some of the tacti-cool crowd. Especially flashlights. I've chuckled while reading some candlepower guys talk about using the proper lubricant on your EDC torch because when your life depends on it you don't want to find out you skimped on flashlight oil.

Man, where have I been? FLASHLIGHT OIL? That is truly odd!

What next, multi-tool antifreeze? O-rings on a tack hammer?

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Man, where have I been? FLASHLIGHT OIL? That is truly odd!

What next, multi-tool antifreeze? O-rings on a tack hammer?

You'll find it at your favorite dealer, right next to the prop wash.

 

[sac-gunslinger]

There are no "sportsmen" at the local range or the local gun store these days, only operators and zombie response team members. Everyone wants tactical weapons, because they are constantly imagining themselves in a shootout or other survival situation

I am going to express an opinion here and I hope it does not offend any of my forum compatriots. These are my experience-based observations.

I have been involved in firearms sales since the mid-70's (off and on). Most of the "cool tactical" gear I have seen sold has only gone into action against the bathroom mirror. I have seen AR's loaded up with so many accessories that they weigh more than a Garand. Armament as a status symbol. Ain't nobody gonna be able to lug those puppies around let alone find themselves in a running gun battle with zombies.

If this describes you it is OK. If you derive pleasure from using your arms in that way then great. Your purchase has provided a valuable return. Just don't look down at us mossbacks who are looking at the ancient Smith and Colt revolvers in the display cases. Odds are some of us older guys have some real gunfights under our belts using that ancient equipment.

I don't own an AR, nothing in semi-auto tactical configuration. My "fighting rifle" is a 357 Magnum lever action that has accompained me for years. It is comfortable to shoot. I can do more with one or two rounds with it than most can with a whole magazine of 5.56 ammo because I know it so well. I look like a Cowboy Action Shooter (only with a DA revolver) and nobody pays attention to me, especially out on the far west deserts where I like to hang out. And I have fun all the time. Life is too short to be so serious all the time. We never know when we might be called home so live righteously and enjoy every minute.

YMMV and that is perfectly OK with me.

 

[Smithsrevenge]

And my car has been running on tactical oil for months.

Did ya know I saw actually tactical headlights at the auto store the other day........ Ugh

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[shouldazagged]

Well said, Bruce. Preaching to the choir here, but doing it well.

 

[spad124]

Pistol, reload, flashlight, phone (preferably with bluetooth earpiece for hands free use), and usually a knife. Pretty much all the time. BUT: first and foremost, pay attention, avoid dumb places unless you are paid to be there; avoid people who do dumb stuff; if you see something that looks like it is going sideways, leave. That's the part that really matters. If I have to use the other gear, something went wrong well before then.

Agree. As a long time resident of the last state in the Union to enact CCW, my focus for the last 50 odd years has been on paying attention, avoiding dumb places, and avoiding people doing dumb stuff. My wife was raised a county girl and to this day doesn't have much "situational awareness" in urban settings or when traveling. So, I always try to have enough for two.

I've certainly left places when things were starting to go sideways, the most memorable of which was a LEO friend's retirement party at at bar. Way too much beer was flowing, not everyone was getting along and many of those not getting along had their off duty weapons. Time to go.

Frankly, all I carry is a pocket knife, because that's all I can legally carry. Plus the proverbiai cell phone. I do have a folder and flashlight in the console, but that's it.

The state police don't expect to issue any CCW permits before March 2014. I have to drive through a pretty rough part of town to go to and from work so, if I do get a permit, I expect I would carry my P6 or maybe put my K frame in the car--plus carry my pocket knife.

 

[sac-gunslinger]

Well said, Bruce. Preaching to the choir here, but doing it well.

I knew you would understand.....

 

[shouldazagged]

I knew you would understand.....

Well, I don't know how old you are, but I used to tell Cain to stop picking on his brother.

 

[MOONDAWG]

Mall Ninjas & Sidewalk Commandos can take point all they want.

The normal folk will stay in the rear with the gear and watch the show.

 

[Practical]

I live in NY and had only one handgun which took more than a 10 round magazine. A glock 19.

Now that NY has made it impossible to load it with more than 7 rounds, I realize that gun with a couple magazines gave me a lot of piece of mind.

Every other handgun I have had has been a Colt, Smith & Wesson or Ruger target gun, 22 revolver or less than 8 shot magazine. I was fine with that. BUT the glock was the go to gun for carry, home defense, IDPA, etc.

Now that I can load it with only 7 rounds, it made me realize that 'tactical' is a marketing term. Being ready mean having what you need.

Wait until your states equivalent of the Safe Act comes along, you won't be happy. A 5-7 round gun is no match for a hi-capacity auto in equally skilled hands. My state senator wanted a 5 round limit on ALL guns capacity for NY. That is the goal of the anti-gunners. The can't ban guns completely, but he said we have to reduce the carnage. You don't need more than a few shots to scare away someone...

 

[TheGunman]

I dont concern myself with the choices of others