+p+ in the shield PC
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Arik
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You can, it won't hurt anything provided you don't use it as constant practice however you won't get much out of it due to the short barrel of the Shield. It would be a waste of money. You're better off with a good +P or standard pressure or even better short barrel pressure specifically for use in short barrel guns. It's made to expand reliably out of short barrel guns. It's harder to find but is out there. Otherwise standard pressure is fine
I'm not going to tell you not to read the manual but they have become a mix of fact and liability (cover your a..). For instance HK, despite being test proven for reliability with more than 30,000 high pressure +P cartridges and 6,000 proof loads without damage or excessive wear to any major components still tell you not to use them.
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I'm not going to tell you not to read the manual but they have become a mix of fact and liability (cover your a..). For instance HK, despite being test proven for reliability with more than 30,000 high pressure +P cartridges and 6,000 proof loads without damage or excessive wear to any major components still tell you not to use them.
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Fire when ready, 115 +P+ is not going to hurt the Shield.
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"I would encourage you to read the manual. It clearly states S&W position on +p+ ammo. You can then decide for yourself if you wish to run it."
"you won't get much out of it due to the short barrel of the Shield...I'm not going to tell you not to read the manual but they have become a mix of fact and liability (cover your a..)"
True and true. Two other points - any damage to your Shield (however unlikely) resulting from +P+ use will void your warranty, and there is no standard for +P+ pressure limits. Good luck in your decision.
"you won't get much out of it due to the short barrel of the Shield...I'm not going to tell you not to read the manual but they have become a mix of fact and liability (cover your a..)"
True and true. Two other points - any damage to your Shield (however unlikely) resulting from +P+ use will void your warranty, and there is no standard for +P+ pressure limits. Good luck in your decision.
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As stated, manufacturers are in the habit of not saying that +P+ ammo is okay for their guns because there is no set standard for what +P+ means (unlike with +P and non +P). If someone wanted to just load ammo up with double charges that will grenade your gun and they call it +P+, technically, they aren't wrong.
That being said, Federal and Winchester are a little more reasonable than that.
Personally, I don't see the need. If you really want more energy than +P, get a longer barrel or a .40 or .357sig.
That being said, Federal and Winchester are a little more reasonable than that.
Personally, I don't see the need. If you really want more energy than +P, get a longer barrel or a .40 or .357sig.
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What are you basing this on?
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Think I'd stick with standard pressure. A blow out from a non supported chamber in a polymer gun can hurt.
The last couple of times I've asked different folks at S&W (as an armorer), they told me they'd check and call back. I was later told by both that while +P is okay, they don't recommend the use of +P+ in the Shield 9.
I've not yet heard of the same restriction given to LE agencies using the M&P 9 or 9c, though.
There's a lot of good quality standard and +P loads offered by the major American ammo makers, so it ought to be easy to find something to use.
I've not yet heard of the same restriction given to LE agencies using the M&P 9 or 9c, though.
There's a lot of good quality standard and +P loads offered by the major American ammo makers, so it ought to be easy to find something to use.
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Arik
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I may be thinking of the P2000. Which is just a Upgraded USP
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The P series guns do say that since it accelerates wear, +P and +P+ is not recommended. However, it appears to stop short of saying don't use it.
Winchester 9mm 127 gr +P+ clocks 1206 avg out of my Glock 26.
In addition, Massad Ayoob states that round is his favorite load for a Glock 26. It's been proven in numerous Law Enforcement shootings.
That being said, I had an opportunity to discuss this round with a Winchester L.E. Ammo factory rep. He stated he's only comfortable shooting it out of Glocks & Springfield XD's.
I friend of mine purchased a 9mm Shield and asked to borrow enough of my +P+ for his magazine. The first round popped the white insert out of the front sight. That being said, he stated the recoil was manageable.
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Arik
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If he's comfortable shooting them in XD then there ok with most everything else. I'm surprised he didn't mention HK USP since those things will digest over pressures all day long
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The white insert is a known issue with the Shield. Probably nothing to do with the ammo being fired.
