parallele between RKBA and......right to keep non native animals (reptiles in my case

[patvince]

Did you know the (fortunately dead now) HR669? It was a bill introduced to the US House of representatives to ban the non native animals (for me reptiles)This bill will have actually created the very danger that the animal rights groups "claim" they are trying to prevent-Just look at how the gun laws work-when guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns. If this bill have passed it would have create an unregulated black market which will pose much more danger to people than the current regulated hobby does !
Congratulations to american poeple who have fight against this bill!

...but be ready for the other one!

Strange gouvernment you have!....wanting to fightto create and preserve jobs, and destroy some other one: reptile industrie is a big one!
There is a true parallel to draw between those "Environmental and Animal right movement" and anti guns movement! Neither should win their war!
Yes i love guns and reptiles! and in France, up to now, no serious troubles with "guns", but it begins to a bad start with the right to keep reptiles in captivity!
Think about that!
R.

 

[patvince]

Did you know the (fortunately dead now) HR669? It was a bill introduced to the US House of representatives to ban the non native animals (for me reptiles)This bill will have actually created the very danger that the animal rights groups "claim" they are trying to prevent-Just look at how the gun laws work-when guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns. If this bill have passed it would have create an unregulated black market which will pose much more danger to people than the current regulated hobby does !
Congratulations to american poeple who have fight against this bill!

...but be ready for the other one!

Strange gouvernment you have!....wanting to fightto create and preserve jobs, and destroy some other one: reptile industrie is a big one!
There is a true parallel to draw between those "Environmental and Animal right movement" and anti guns movement! Neither should win their war!
Yes i love guns and reptiles! and in France, up to now, no serious troubles with "guns", but it begins to a bad start with the right to keep reptiles in captivity!
Think about that!
R.

 

[tyusclan]

The "regulated hobby" isn't working so well either. The Everglades are being overrun with Boas that were released, and are now breeding like crazy. It's costing the State of Florida a fortune to combat it.

IF everyone were responsible it would be no problem, but sadly many aren't.

 

[bk43]

The issue will be back and there is another side to it. I live in a state that has the ports of entry for a lot of flora and fauna that is imported, some intentionally and some not. Sadly, many animals end up in the wild with no predators to control them and they become a problem. You wouldn't believe the species seen these days in the Florida Everglades. The animal most feared by wildlife officers down there is the boa constrictor and they sure as hell aren't native. In addition, vines and trees that are not native can crowd out native species upsetting the entire ecosystem.

I understand people who want to keep exotic animals and don't want to see their rights trampled on. This bill apparently did not do a good job protecting those rights but the other side is that we do have a problem here that needs addressing. Maybe in the end they'll get it right in Washington, but probably not.

Not much good coming out of there these days.

Although I see similarities between the guns and animal issues there is one big difference. Should a couple guns get loose they don't procreate and take over the environment. They just sit there and rust.

Bob

 

[n4zov]

I confess to not know much about this issue. However, a couple of years ago some moron in a neighboring county released a bunch of exotic poisonous snakes including a Black Mamba. As you might imagine, there were a lot of really mad folks who would have gladly strung the guy from the nearest tree. None of the released snakes were ever re-captured and everybody ASSUMES cold weather killed them. I'm for whatever prevents this kind of lunacy.

 

[Catshooter]

I see no paralell. The RKBA is laid out in the ammendments to our constitution. No word is said about non-native animals as I recall.

I am totally against non-native species. They always get out, always. Since they're not native, they usually disrupt the local eco system and are very expensive to fight. Fighting is all you can do, there doesn't seem to be a way fix the issue.


Cat

 

[m657]

Agree with catshooter.

 

[patvince]

Should a couple guns get loose they don't procreate and take over the environment. They just sit there and rust.

except if they "fall" between bad hands!!!

am totally against non-native species. They always get out, always

Sorry, but a lot of urban legend there!...yes there is a established pop. of Varanus niloticus and iguana in south Florida...
Yes sometimes there is a snake escape...
but they don't kill people like guns??? do they?

I see no paralell. The RKBA is laid out in the ammendments to our constitution. No word is said about non-native animals as I recall.

You are right,but it is just a question of freedom!
Groups like P.E.T.A ( sponsers of this bill) are not shy about their agenda, to separate man and animal. They have no actual interest in helping animals, only keeping man away from them. The fight is the same...one day(hope of course it never comes!

) you will no more have the right to have guns!
Here is the parallel.
R.

 

[m657]

RE:

Sorry, but a lot of urban legend there!

announcement this week from ODFW regarding invasive species, one of which here is the famed 'nutria'.

This is a 'mountain beaver' looking just like one except for having a rat=like tail. They infest an area, root around in various fields, dikes and levies, and create a headache for rural agriculture....so we're told.

At times they are more numerous than others as road kill.

There was a list of about 5 or 6 being addressed here in the non-urban legend part of the state.

here's one link http://www.dfw.state.or.us/swwd/nonnative.pdf

 

[ingmansinc]

quote:
Yes sometimes there is a snake escape...
but they don't kill people like guns??? do they?

Please be careful how you say that. I have never heard of nor seen a gun kill anybody in my life. I actually placed one on the dining room table once and watched it for twenty-four hours straight and it did not go off.

 

[tyusclan]

Originally posted by patvince:
Yes sometimes there is a snake escape...
but they don't kill people like guns??? do they?

Snakes are living, breathing organisms capable of independent movement and actions. Actually, yes, people are killed by snakes every year. I never seen nor heard of a gun killing anyone. I've heard of one (or more) person(s) being killed by another person using a gun, but the gun did nothing in and of itself.

 

[bk43]

Originally posted by patvince:
Sorry, but a lot of urban legend there

It is not urban legend and that is from personal experience. We have exotic animals, reptiles, fish and flora that are big problems for the State of Florida.

Regarding the nutria in another post, ask someone from Louisiana bayou country about them.

patvice, my compliments sir, on your English. I very much admire those that speak more than their native language.

Bob

 

[patvince]

Actually, yes, people are killed by snakes every year. I never seen nor heard of a gun killing anyone. I've heard of one (or more) person(s) being killed by another person using a gun, but the gun did nothing in and of itself.

Agree with you, but i was talking about "escape snakes"...and of course,people kill people, not guns,we both know it, but people in the street does care about that!

And as there is irresponsable reptile keepers (escape, release...) there is out there some mad, sick guy who shoot kids in school, streets....and it more shocking for ordinary people, than a escaping snake.
When it happens in your country (a shootout), it comments on this maliciousely here in France, with the same old story " there is to much guns in USA, and in France too.."
And , please remember, i am a guns owner and an avid shooter!

patvice, my compliments sir, on your English.

Thank you Bob!
I really hope to travel in your beautyfull country one of this day!

We have exotic animals, reptiles, fish and flora that are big problems for the State of Florida.

Yes, it is true in your state. Warm, nearly tropical climat is responsable for the good acclimatation (ie breeding) of V. niloticus (nile's monitor lizard).Don't need to go to Africa to see one!

R.

 

[Texas Star]

Monitor lizards eat eggs of other species, probably including alligators.

And I think there are also now pythons in the Everglades, maybe other big snakes other than boas...These can present a risk to people, livestock and pets.

It wouldn't surprise me if caimans, which were sold here as pets when alligators were endangered have also entered the wild. They tend to have worse tempers than most alligators. Black caimans and maybe others are known to have attacked humans, and they may interfere with alligators.

 

[sargespd]

Sorry, can't see any parallel whatsoever. Our constitution enumerates what our founding fathers considered to be rights that all men are born with. The second amendment ensures that our God given right to defend ourselves against predators, both human and animal, (and especially governmental

) are not infringed by said government. Nowhere does it guarantee or even support someones right to possess reptiles foreign or domestic. Personally I think it is ridiculous to even consider these as similar. Many political subdivisions have enacted ordinances prohibiting the possession of lions, tigers and bears OH MY!, as well as non-native reptiles. Sometimes common sense really does win out in the political arena, and this is one situation where it does. Sorry I can't agree with you on this one.

 

[gr8AmericanBash]

I agree with Sarge and Catshooter 100%.

The fallacy in your argument, patvince, is the same as those who say owning pit bulls or making pot legal is comparative to the 2A.
Neither are God-given rights affirmed by the Constitution, but the RKBA is.
You can't compare apples to oranges.

 

[rundownfid]

Since horses aren't native to North America, would they be banned? Just wondering not suggesting they would or would' be.