PEOPLE WHO DON'T GRASP THE CONCEPT!

[Alk8944]

Beside spending far too much time on the S&W Forum I also often explore historical places in Google Earth. A little while ago I was looking at some of the many Coast Defense Artillery batteries in the vicinity of The Golden Gate, the geographic feature, not the bridge.

Reading the notes attached to several of the batteries, which date from the 1870s to WWII, I noted the following regarding the 1870s period batteries. The notes include the guns that were emplaced at that specific battery. What I saw was several that state the armament was xx number of "Rodman Rifled Smooth-bore Guns" Huh???? How does that work? This was the first time I have seen this error, although I am not surprised

Kind of goes with all the TV Reality crime shows that all refer to cartridges as bullets, and cartridge cases as bullet casings. Fired cartridge cases are spent bullet casings! One recent program even had a picture of a toy pellet, or maybe paintball gun that was purported to be the murder weapon! where is the "retch" emoticon?

 

[UncleEd]

Perhaps a reference to converting a
smooth bore to a rifled bore with a
rifled insert. Hence a smooth bore now
rifled barrel. It was done after the
Civil War.

 

[Old&Retired]

Perhaps a reference to converting a
smooth bore to a rifled bore with a
rifled insert. Hence a smooth bore now
rifled barrel. It was done after the
Civil War.

Correct! From wikipedia:
In the 1870s and 1880s, efforts focused on converting existing Rodman guns into rifles. 10-inch Rodman smoothbore guns were converted into 8-inch rifles. The first method used was inserting a wrought iron rifle sleeve through the muzzle; a similar steel sleeve was also used later

 

[Pisgah]

Sounds like the "History" Channel, where WW1 soldiers are armed with everything from flintlocks to M16's...

 

[venomballistics]

Perhaps a reference to converting a
smooth bore to a rifled bore with a
rifled insert. Hence a smooth bore now
rifled barrel. It was done after the
Civil War.

In my cursory pre post research, this is the best fit for the terminology used.
the Rodman gun was born a smoothbore in an era where a rifles advantages were well established, and desirable. Attempts to cast them rifled, failed, leading to these sleeved guns.
Seems to me that the term "Conversion" would be more appropriate and arguable beneficial to those willing to sleuth out this bit of industrial history.

 

[Inusuit]

I am amused by the CSI shows where the first responders take a look at the fatal wound and declare it was caused by "a nine emm emm."

 

[UncleEd]

I am amused by the CSI shows where the first responders take a look at the fatal wound and declare it was caused by "a nine emm emm."

Actually made into a running joke on one TV
cop show. At the scene the doc would declare
the caliber. Back at the lab he'd report another.

 

[johngalt]

Saw this headline the other day:

"Officer involved in fatal shooting walks out of hospital"

Tough guy!

 

[NFrameFred]

Actually made into a running joke on one TV cop show. At the scene the doc would declare
the caliber. Back at the lab he'd report another.

 

[Onomea]

About a year ago we were visiting our son in San Francisco and walking around the sites of the Coast Defense Artillery batteries in the vicinity of The Golden Gate.

It's a very beautiful area. Looking down from the cliffs into the Golden Gate passage, you could see how effective big guns would be at blasting ships in the channel. Of course the ships would be blasting back at you, but the advantage would be with the batteries overlooking the channel.

 

[Rustyt1953]

Speaking of getting editors from yard sales...this is legit:

 

[Shibadog]

Speaking of getting editors from yard sales...this is legit:

Dang Muskie, an A salt revolver with a magazine. Feller oughtta get himself one a those. Remember, the difference between genius and stupity is that there ARE limits to genius

 

[johngross]

In the world of "Kentucky rifles" there are what are known as smooth rifles. These are smooth bored longarms which have rifle characteristics (thick walled barrel, front and rear sights, stock architecture).

And pertaining to Civil War era martial longarms, there are Rifles, Muskets, Rifle-Muskets, and Rifled-Muskets. Though often used interchangeably they are each different.

 

[Chuck24]

Speaking of getting editors from yard sales...this is legit:

Plus 3 women and 1 man don't make 5 people

 

[johngalt]

Plus 3 women and 1 man don't make 5 people

Maybe the 5th self identifies as something else!