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When I discovered that the S&W 640-1 I gave to a friend in San Diego County, California, could not be sent to her because it is not on California's APPROVED list, a hypothetical question popped into my head.

If I, or anyone living in a state other than California, were to move there - taking firearms that were legally owned but not on the APPROVED list - could these firearms continue to be legally possessed in California? This would appear to be a form of "grandfathering" the firearms.

Has anyone personal experience with such a circumstance? Or someone in the California firearms/law enforcement bureacracy who has knowledge of such circumstance?
 
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Yes, if you move here you can keep your firearms as long as you register them with the state and they are not on the banned list. Plus if it is a semi-auto, you can only have 10 round mags. Any standard capacity mags can not be imported into the state.

As to the roster, it only applies to the average citizen. LEO's can and do buy off roster firearms. As an example, only Gen 3 glocks are available for sale here. Yet, Gen 4's and 5's can be found for sale. A number of them were bought by LEO's and then put up for sale at a large markup. Seen Gen 5's advertised at from $1000 to $1400. Been a couple of LEO's out here that were doing the buying and resale as a business and got reported by the feds.

Once you established residency, you could then sell an off roster handgun. The caveat there is that it has to be done face-to-face via a private party transfer at an ffl. And the 10day waiting period applies on any type of firearm

As to asking someone from DOJ what goes on-good luck. They've tried to backdoor regs. They tried to sneak the current AW regs through as Emergency regs, which they couldn't do by law. Plus, they added things to the AW regs over and above what the law states. We have to pay a $25 DROS fee, with the money only being allowed by statue to be spent on certain things. Yet, they were found by the Court to be spending the fee on unauthorized things.
 
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I sent my friend a Glock 21 gen 3 who lives in N Cali. He had to take a class just to own a firearm. Couldn't send the mags. Against the law.
Will never do that again. I like my local FFL too much.
He said it was no big deal. Just had to get more paper from Sacramento to do the transfer.

Move to Cali with firearms? HAHAHA.
Be ready to spend alot of $$$ and time at the FFL and for state run classes to be "legal" there.
Oh yeah don't forget that for even 1 hand gun you'll need a state approved gun safe.
I don't know every gun law in that state, and I'd bet not many people do.
 
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Westie1 said:
Yes, if you move here you can keep your firearms as long as you register them with the state and they are not on the banned list. Plus if it is a semi-auto, you can only have 10 round mags. Any standard capacity mags can not be imported into the state. . . .

So were John Q. Public to move to California and be in possess of the 640-1 that I could not send by way of FFL holders, John must dispose of the 640-1 before he arrives? And the myriad small Ruger handguns must also be disposed of?

If my example is accurate, only the classic French phrase fits the situation: Aux Barricades!
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df06 said:
Why would anyone move there?
No way I would ever live there, same for Illinois, Mass, NY, and NJ.
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did you forget Connecticut?
they used the sandy hook tragedy to pass all kinds of ridiculous laws.
 
Naphtali said:
Westie1 said:
Yes, if you move here you can keep your firearms as long as you register them with the state and they are not on the banned list. Plus if it is a semi-auto, you can only have 10 round mags. Any standard capacity mags can not be imported into the state. . . .
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So were John Q. Public to move to California and be in possess of the 640-1 that I could not send by way of FFL holders, John must dispose of the 640-1 before he arrives? And the myriad small Ruger handguns must also be disposed of?

If my example is accurate, only the classic French phrase fits the situation: Aux Barricades!
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No, you can keep the 640-1....it's not banned.

There's two types of lists. The first are guns illegal in California. Can't have them .... period!
The second is a list of guns allowed or deemed safe for ownership. For this the DOJ must do their own safety tests. This means any make and model that has something changed. For example. If an M&P is tested and passed you can only have that M&P and not one with a safety. The safety is a different feature and would have to be tested separately. This test cost the gun manufacturers money...per each individual gun. So the manufacturer sends 2 M&P with safety and without that's two payments. (If I'm not mistaken it's something like $100k per gun).

Now to the 640-1. The 640 is not illegal in California but the -1 has not been tested for approval so it's not allowed to be sold in California but because the 640 is legal you can move with your 640-1 to California

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OP, nice bunch of BS that I've read here. The reason you can not give your friend the 640-1 has nothing to do with the roster. The roster only concerns what ffl's can sell, and has no effect on Private Party Transfer. Just check out Armslist for California, and you'll see a number of handguns listed for sale that are not on the roster.

You can not give your friend the gun because California only allows transfers of firearms from out of state to in-state between immediate family members. And that is defined as Parent to Child or Grandparent to Grandchild. So, your friend does not qualify.

As to you bringing your handgun into California, it's completely legal. You have 60 days from the time you move here to register it or dispose of it.

Additional Info-I am a resident of California, and have lived here for roughly 40years. Also, I can drive to the state capitol bldg in about 25 minutes depending on traffic.
 
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Westie1 said:
OP, nice bunch of BS that I've read here. The reason you can not give your friend the 640-1 has nothing to do with the roster. The roster only concerns what ffl's can sell, and has no effect on Private Party Transfer. Just check out Armslist for California, and you'll see a number of handguns listed for sale that are not on the roster.

You can not give your friend the gun because California only allows transfers of firearms from out of state to in-state between immediate family members. And that is defined as Parent to Child or Grandparent to Grandchild. So, your friend does not qualify.

As to you bringing your handgun into California, it's completely legal. You have 60 days from the time you move here to register it or dispose of it.
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So can I buy a brand new, never owned, 640-1 in California from a FFL?

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Arik said:
So can I buy a brand new, never owned, 640-1 in California from a FFL?

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If it is not on the current roster, you can not buy it from an ffl unless you were an in-state LEO. Here in California, it is possible for in-state LEO's to purchase off roster firearms. And that includes what the rest of the country considers to be standard capacity mags.

here's a price list from a range close to me, that shows what I mean.

https://cordovashootingcenter.com/wp-content/uploads/SACRAMENTOGUNS.pdf

Notice the ones marked LE only. Not on the roster, but LEO's can buy. Now if I was an LEO, I could buy that 640-1, keep it for a while and then sell it to you as a PPT. An ffl has to be involved for the sale to be legal, but the ffl is not the one selling the gun.
 
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Westie1 said:
Yes, if you move here you can keep your firearms as long as you register them with the state and they are not on the banned list. Plus if it is a semi-auto, you can only have 10 round mags. Any standard capacity mags can not be imported into the state.

As to the roster, it only applies to the average citizen. LEO's can and do buy off roster firearms. As an example, only Gen 3 glocks are available for sale here. Yet, Gen 4's and 5's can be found for sale. A number of them were bought by LEO's and then put up for sale at a large markup. Seen Gen 5's advertised at from $1000 to $1400. Been a couple of LEO's out here that were doing the buying and resale as a business and got reported by the feds.

Once you established residency, you could then sell an off roster handgun. The caveat there is that it has to be done face-to-face via a private party transfer at an ffl. And the 10day waiting period applies on any type of firearm

As to asking someone from DOJ what goes on-good luck. They've tried to backdoor regs. They tried to sneak the current AW regs through as Emergency regs, which they couldn't do by law. Plus, they added things to the AW regs over and above what the law states. We have to pay a $25 DROS fee, with the money only being allowed by statue to be spent on certain things. Yet, they were found by the Court to be spending the fee on unauthorized things.
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I could be wrong here but to register a firearm in California don't you have to provide proof of ownership probably in the form of a bill of sale?
Jim
 
I spent 90 days in California once and kissed the ground when I got back to Texas. California is a beautiful state, but I'll sum it up with... It's a nice place to visit, but I do not want to live there. The Dodgers are going down too. :D
 
Naphtali said:
When I discovered that the S&W 640-1 I gave to a friend in San Diego County, California, could not be sent to her because it is not on California's APPROVED list, a hypothetical question popped into my head.

If I, or anyone living in a state other than California, were to move there - taking firearms that were legally owned but not on the APPROVED list - could these firearms continue to be legally possessed in California? This would appear to be a form of "grandfathering" the firearms.

Has anyone personal experience with such a circumstance? Or someone in the California firearms/law enforcement bureacracy who has knowledge of such circumstance?
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I was just re-reading the original post and realized that if she had just moved here with the 640-1 and self registered with the DOJ it would be perfectly legal. ;)

Bruce
 
Agreed, and thanks for correcting my not seeing the right sku's. The only one I kept seeing was the 640-3
 
"Oh yeah don't forget that for even 1 hand gun you'll need a state approved gun safe."
Really -where did you see this law?
 
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