Perfect method for legal executions

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The old UK sentence used to read something like this. "You will be taken from this court to the place of execution where you will be hanged by the neck until dead". Three clear Sundays were the minimum time from sentence to execution, So if convicted on one Saturday, then 16 days later, you were hung. Albert Pierrepoint used to be able to do two executions at the same time, with about 10 seconds between them on the same set of gallows. Two traps, two ropes. He introduced a simple metal coupling instead of the formal 13 turns on the rope. Place under the left hand side of the chin, take out the slack and drop the trap. He was a Publican in London and I remember drinking in his pub when I was in graduate school in London 55 years or so ago. Dave_n
 
flundertaker said:
I struggle with my feelings about capital punishment.
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I completely agree. All too often the death penalty is used as a bargaining chip at a plea bargain.

The reality of the death penalty is that the convicted is more likely to die in prison than at the hands of the executioner. I don't have any proof of that, but it does seem to take an extraordinarily long time to meet out the punishment.

Taking a man's life is never cause for celebration. It should always be a sad time. It's sad for the person who was murdered and it's sad that it is necessary to end a person's life to make society safer.

The major difference between life in prison and capital punishment (ignoring the moral implications) should be cost. Alas, that isn't true and it often costs more to kill a criminal than to imprison them for life.
 
I guess I am a softy. While I totally believe in capital punishment, I get no thrill or satisfaction even thinking about a painful, horrible death for the worst of murders. Execute them any way they want it and be done with it.
What I definitely dont believe in is putting them in a cage for thirty years or even three months waiting. I object to the cost of keeping them alive.
Our newspaper here a couple weeks ago reprinted the local news in 1950. There were two guys that killed someone about 3 months prior somewhere around beaver utah, they already in that time tried and sentenced them and a local firing squad was being arranged for them to be shot after the article was printed.
 
flundertaker said:
Sadly no matter how humane or barbaric the chosen method of execution the following facts are undeniable:

1. The victim is not coming back
2. The perpetrator is no less likely to commit another crime as he would otherwise be serving Life without possibility of parole.
3. The execution will not serve as a deterent to any one else.
4. In many cases once the execution is carried out, the victims families actually report they dont feel the sense of relief, closure, piece of mind, or whatever else they actually thought they would.

I struggle with my feelings about capital punishment. If you support it, thats your choice, but I wish more people would be honest about why they ferverently support it, revenge. If thats your reasoning and rationale then that is between you and your god. I personally found that revenge is one of the worst motivators for anything because it tends to pull you down as well.

just my $.02 worth.
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Even if all that is true, at least he will not be killing more innocent people.
 
1) Throw 'em into a shark tank or gator pond.

2) Charge $29.95 on PPV

3) Part of the proceeds go to the victim's family.

Check out the original "Running Man" film with Arnie. That's the idea ...
 
WuzzFuzz said:
Hmmmm...Snorting and gasping for air????

How about...Sodium Penathol (sp) Go to sleep....Bang!!!!! it's over, 2 minutes or less. No suffering....Never knew what happened....



AND....Sometimes there's a Silver Lining in all this....Used to be the executioner got paid....SO....It just might give some un-employed person some extra spending cash...Somehow, I'll just bet there'd be some takers for the job....


WuzzFuzz
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Makes sense. Or, why not moriphine or valium or chloral hydrate or any other downer? C'mon folks, it aint rocket science!
 
These are just a few of the innocents sentenced to death, these cleared by DNA evidence.


Eighteen people have been proven innocent and exonerated by DNA testing in the United States after serving time on death row. They were convicted in 11 states and served a combined 229 years in prison – including 202 years on death row – for crimes they didn’t commit.

Kirk Bloodsworth served eight years in Maryland prison – including two years on death row – for a murder and rape he didn’t commit, before he was exonerated in 1993.

Rolando Cruz, and his co-defendant Alejandro Hernandez, served more than 10 years on Illinois death row for a murder they didn’t commit before DNA testing proved both men innocent in 1995.

Verneal Jimerson and Dennis Williams were sentenced to death in the infamous Ford Heights Four case in Illinois for a pair of 1978 murders they didn’t commit. Jimerson was cleared in 1995 after a decade on death row and Williams served more than 17 years on death row before he was freed in 1996.

Robert Miller spent nine years on Oklahoma’s death row for a murder and rape he didn’t commit before he was cleared by DNA testing in 1998.

Ron Williamson spent a decade on Oklahoma’s death row for a murder he didn’t commit before DNA testing secured by the Innocence Project proved him innocent in 1999. His co-defendant, Dennis Fritz, was sentenced to life and spent 11 years in prison before DNA cleared him as well.

Ronald Jones, an Innocence Project client, served a decade on Illinois death row for a murder and rape he didn’t commit before DNA testing proved his innocence and led to his release in 1999.

Earl Washington, a Virginia man with limited mental capacity, was sentenced to death after he allegedly confessed to committing a 1982 murder he didn’t commit. He served a decade on death row, once coming within nine days of execution before receiving a stay. He would serve a total of 17 years behind bars before DNA testing obtained by the Innocence Project cleared him in 2000.

Frank Lee Smith died of cancer on Florida’s death row after serving 14 years for a murder and rape he didn’t commit. He was cleared by DNA testing obtained by the Innocence Project 11 months after his death.

Charles Irvin Fain served more than 17 years on death row in Idaho for a murder and rape he didn’t commit before DNA testing proved his innocence in 2001.

Ray Krone served a decade in Arizona prison – including four years on death row – for a murder and rape he didn’t commit before DNA testing proved his innocence in 2002.

Nicholas Yarris served more than 21 years on Pennsylvania’s death row before DNA testing proved his innocence and led to his release in 2003.

Ryan Matthews served five years on Louisiana’s death row for a murder he didn’t commit before he was exonerated by DNA testing in 2004. His co-defendant, Travis Hayes, was sentenced to life in prison and served eight years before he was cleared in 2007.

Curtis McCarty served 21 years in Oklahoma prison – including nearly 18 years on death row – for a murder he didn’t commit before DNA tests secured by the Innocence Project led to his exoneration in 2007. He was convicted twice and sentenced to death three times based on forensic misconduct.

Kennedy Brewer, an Innocence Project client, served 15 years behind bars – including seven years on death row – for a murder and sexual assault he didn’t commit before DNA testing from 2001 finally led to his exoneration in 2008.

Michael Blair served 13 years on death row for a murder he didn’t commit before DNA testing obtained by his lawyers at the Innocence Project proved his innocence and led to his exoneration in 2008.

Damon Thibodeaux spent 15 years on death row in Louisiana before he was exonerated in 2012. A prosecution expert who aided in the reinvestigation of his case concluded that the threat of the death penalty contributed to why he falsely confessed to the murder of his cousin.
 
timn8er said:
"Another issue I have is the length of time involved. This crime took place in 1989. For 25 years we housed, fed, clothed and cared for this killer. What's the point in that? If you're gonna meet out capital punishment, do it. Don't drag it out like this. There's no reason to take this long. This should have been done as soon as the trial is over."
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I agree. Once someone is found guilty of a capital crime, take them outside & shoot them. Sure, there will be some miscarriages, but you know what they say about omelets. The current system is apparently not any kind of a deterrent, & I can't help but think that if a miscreant knew that he or she could be executed PDQ, maybe it would slow their roll. I'm only half kidding here.:eek:
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I agree with capitol punishment but under your way may I ask how would you like to be one of those Miscarriages if justice. There have been cases that people sentence top death were later found to be innocent of the crimes they were convicted of. Now how do you compensate some one wrongfully convicted after you've executed them.
 
This thread could go on and on, but is not the consensus, a execution is for one who is convicted of premeditation and with malice of a heinous nature?

There are those too, throughout history.

Did Jeffery Dahlmer deserve to die for what he did?

WuzzFuzz
 
vito said:
Daughter: Ohio execution most awful moment of life

Family members are unhappy with the method used in Ohio to put their father to death for his heinous crime, and it seems likely in this day and age that the authorities will feel they need to change their method of execution. Apart from the absurdity (in my opinion) of being concerned with a few minutes of suffering for a brutal murderer of an innocent pregnant woman, death by any legal injection seems to be too tame to scare anyone else into better behavior.

I think the perfect solution is to have a pain-free (to avoid the constitutional prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment) but dramatic means of execution that would possibly have some deterrent value. In my opinion, the perfect method was devised about 225 years ago and should be resurrected: the guillotine. Just think about those Youtube videos available for gangbangers showing one of their buddy's heads rolling into a nice basket.
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Plus, unlike electrocution, lethal injection, firing squad or gas chamber, no damage to organs. They could be harvested so the person could make at least some contribution to society.
 
timn8er said:
Once someone is found guilty of a capital crime, take them outside & shoot them. Sure, there will be some miscarriages, but you know what they say about omelets.
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Mighty tough talk until you're one of the broken eggs.

Looking forward to this political discussion getting locked like it should be.
 
We're getting bombarded with bleeding heart stories and greedy lawyers on TV. Its a disadvantage of living near Ohio, where all this stuff took place. I didn't hear any evidence the executed felt a thing, just that he gasped. His fat ugly daughter (I think) was on TV talking about how terrible it was. I wonder if she thought the same about the 22YO victim. So I go back to being kind of in agreement with the guy who posted the list of choices. But then I'd like to add a few.

1. firing squad
2. explosives

The explosives would be cool. Would need a lot, just get from the army or the national guard a nice outdated bomb. I like 500# but even a tiny little 50# would do nicely. Or the argument against using old drug might be applied here. How about 50# of current production dynamite, or Hi PO, the 60% stuff. Or even military C4. Just a few pounds would do. Find an old gravel pit or abandoned concrete foundation. Get the guy a chair and tie him to it. Nothing special, unless he could prove he made a nice, special and comfortable place for his victim. Good luck with that. Then just let him sit there alone to contemplate his sins, the touch it off. The blast should reduce him to mist so fast he couldn't gasp.

We spend way too much time and money worrying about this trash. He was a bad apple and sat around for 25 years, give or take. Then we fed and housed him all that time. And paid union guards a career's pay to do it. The dead guy just wasn't worth any of it. He killed some young babe and her baby. He needed to go away, the faster the better.

I'm not a fan of Kim Jong Un or whatever the dictator of NK is. But there is some beauty to his method of sighting in a mortar and then making the guy stand or sit at ground zero. Not real cheap, but no where near as expensive as all the stuff Ohio went through to off this piece of offal.

And the lawyers and his family looking for a public payday. Ug. They should be paying the state for anything that it costs after the event.

I maybe should work on my sympathy. I find I have none.
 
the victims family should decide the method from a list of possibilities, then be allowed to "pull the trigger" ,if they dont want to, auction off the "rights" to the highest bidder.
guillotine, axe or public strangling sounds about right. no firing squad or anything that can be romanticized. just kill em like the filth they are.
they should be allowed an appeal, so we dont kill too many innocents:eek: i mean any..
 
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