Performance Center 4563 / 4566 CQBs

[Leo77]

I know of at least one of 2 Performance Center 4563 / 4566 CQBs .45 that are going to be up for sale and Im trying to get a realistic price on what either one of them should cost. Im unable to find any now online that are for sale, not even a used one, which I know both of these are New in Box. These were the CQBs made for the Navy Seals in the late 90's. Match grade Triggers, Match Grade Barrels, Briley bushings, etc.
Also, both have early Serial #s.
I know the one is the all Stainless Steel model.
Im trying to figure out what a reasonable Price would be for either on of these CQBs ?

Thanks Much for any Feedback. God Bless

 

[03hemi]

I know it's over-priced at this, but considering the condition, availability and desirability, I wouldn't take less than $1,800 for my 4566, but that's just me.
$600-$1000 today I'd think seriously?

 

[Leo77]

I appreciate your response, But these 2 pistols are the CQB (Close Quarter Combat) versions, which are much more rare than a normal 4566 or 4566 Tactical. These were limited and were made specifically for the Navy Seals in the late 90's and are both New in Box, with early Serial#s.
Im unable to even find a used one on-line, let alone a NIB one..
But again, I do appreciate your response..

(By the way sharp 4566 Tactical)
Is that the pistol Grip that came on it or an aftermarket Grip?
Thanks Much

 

[Tntcwg3]

"Fair" or "Reasonable" price descriptors are rarely used in conversations concerning extremely limited, collectable, or rare Smiths, or any other valuable item for that matter. The value has to be determined by the prospective buyer; one man's outrageous is anothers lucky day. I've purchased some that I almost felt guilty over while others have left me feeling a little abused. In the end, none of these are being made and especially in the case of the PC guns, expense needs to be compared to current production customs.

 

[Rock185]

I've had several PC guns from that era, to include both the all stainless and black alloy framed CQBs. They are in a different class altogether than the 4566 and 4566 Tactical versions. Lot of folks think the PC guns of that day were just production guns with a few added PC tweaks. Not at all. The January/February 2001Handgunner had a good article on how the PC guns of that era were created..

My alloy framed gun serial# was under 100, the all stainless below 200. In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if the guns Leo77 is describing are $2000+ guns now days..

 

[Leo77]

Thanks for the responses guys.
Yeah, Im figuring these PC CQBs would be well over $2000 now.
The last one I saw that sold, had a low round count, but not NIB and went for just over $3000. Im not exactly sure when it sold. I contacted my buddy up north who use to be the pilot of the Apache for the SOF and quick response unit and he's going to contact a few of his friends to see if he can get there opinions.
(Rock185, years ago I actually used to own those 2 CQBs you have in the picture, wish I never sold them)
Thanks Again, Appreciate anymore feedback..

 

[Tntcwg3]

@ Leo77, For what it's worth, I recently paid a little over $950 for an M4563 CQB, 170106, I attributed to being in the right place at the right time.

 

[03hemi]

Definately, the "Seals" guns are probably worth more, but as far as rarity, this is one of only a few hundred special run pistols, made exclusively for the Fresno Sheriff's Dept. You'll never see an all stainless 4566 with an integral rail other than these. Probably one of the "rarest" 4566 in exsitance, but rare doesn't always equate to value. lol
Oh, the grips are KSD out of Pakastan.

 

[Leo77]

Tntcwg3 are you sure that is a CQB (Close Quarter Combat) pistol, which are very rare and impossible to find now used let alone never fired and NIB. CQB is engraved on the Rail of the pistol.
I would love to hear other collectors and specialists that can add some of there opinions.
These pistols are so rare and were built in away which we will probably never see again with a DA/SA Pistol..

Appreciate the responses..

 

[Dparker]

My 3 CQB's……purchased each around $2,000.00 each

Cheers!!!
David

 

[Leo77]

David when I purchased my 2 CQBs I paid the same @ $2000. But this was @15-20 years ago and both were New in Box.
When did you purchase yours and were yours New in Box?
Thanks Much

 

[Dparker]

David when I purchased my 2 CQBs I paid the same @ $2000. But this was @15-20 years ago and both were New in Box.
When did you purchase yours and were yours New in Box?
Thanks Much

Happy Friday!

I purchased all 3 of my CQB's last year! They did come with correct boxes. They are NOT LNIB but are in excellent condition. I collect the rare/hard to find S&W 3rd Gen variants. I think I have 84 of them currently. I have never shot the CQB's. They are comfortable in my safe. I carry other brands of semi autos that were mass produced.


Hope the info helps!

Cheers!!!
David

PS: I tried to reply to your message but your inbox seems to be full!

 

[Leo77]

Thanks. Yeah, My CQBs were Safe Queens as well. I obviously never fired either of them because they were NIB.
Wish I never sold them. To find a used one now of days is nearly impossible, let alone a NIB...
But I do know someone that will soon be selling a NIB stainless CQB..
Trying to figure out how much a New in Box, low serial#, Stainless CQB should sell for these days? The last one I saw that sold went for just over $3000, it was a low round count and excellent condition, but not NIB. Not sure what date it sold.
Thanks Again, Much Appreciate..
God Bless Brothers.
"Fight the Good Fight of Faith"

 

[Dparker]

I think the number you mentioned would be an accurate amount!

Good Luck & Happy Labor Day Weekend!

Cheers!!!

David

 

[Tntcwg3]

Tntcwg3 are you sure that is a CQB (Close Quarter Combat) pistol.

Yes sir, it is not NIB, but is a very good condition, low s/n example! I'd like to have had the box and extras, but for what I had to give for it, I'm ecstatic! I bought it as part of a collection, along with a 3914TSW and a 4513TSW.

 

[Leo77]

Tntcwg3 you certainly were in the right place at the right time. I don't know what kind of round count is through that CQB, but I don't think Ive seen one sold that inexpensive within the past 10 years.
Nice Score my man..
Happy Labor Day Guys!

 

[Rock185]

I bought both my CQBs NIB years ago. I realize as prices have escalated, a nice CQB might not actually be shot now days. But FWIW, I did carry my alloy framed CQB every working day for a few years. In training, qualification and recreational shooting, I never experienced a malfunction of any kind. The CQBs, and PC guns in general from that era, were not just pretty faces so to speak. They actually were precisely machined, finely fitted, durable and reliable pistols..

 

[CALREB]

Don't disparage all model 4566s. Here is one from April 3 1998. One of 22 ordered by firearms instructors at LAPD. Due to dept regulations they were ordered with model number 4566 only, no other labeling, all stainless, two tone. They did come with a small PC logo. I have since seen a couple of these on here and other places. The fellow who placed the order when told that 21 only had shipped asked why. He was told one was being held up by the sale dept. A month or so later the CQB models came out. At least that is what he told the 22nd guy, HÀ.. He did get his gun about a month later. This one is ANIB. I am assuming the factory fired it, I haven't.
I did shoot several of the others after installing night sights on them for the owners. They shot very good, as would be expected.
I have never heard of the Navy Seals connection, and would like to see where that is documented, other than word of mouth?
I know they used M39s in Nam, I thought they were using the Sig MK 24? in the late 90s Gulf wars.

 

[Jeppo]

Don't disparage all model 4566s. Here is one from April 3 1998. One of 22 ordered by firearms instructors at LAPD. Due to dept regulations they were ordered with model number 4566 only, no other labeling, all stainless, two tone. They did come with a small PC logo. I have since seen a couple of these on here and other places. The fellow who placed the order when told that 21 only had shipped asked why. He was told one was being held up by the sale dept. A month or so later the CQB models came out. At least that is what he told the 22nd guy, HÀ.. He did get his gun about a month later. This one is ANIB. I am assuming the factory fired it, I haven't.
I did shoot several of the others after installing night sights on them for the owners. They shot very good, as would be expected.
I have never heard of the Navy Seals connection, and would like to see where that is documented, other than word of mouth?
I know they used M39s in Nam, I thought they were using the Sig MK 24? in the late 90s Gulf wars.

I can't read the last digit in the product code from Roy's letter. Is it 148670? I have one but with a different serial prefix.

 

[CALREB]

Without taking the gun out of the safe. I think that number is referring to the 4566 Melonite run of guns. I had one of those and it started with a RJF prefix I believe. These had the same PC as the stainless CQB I think 170105, I will double check later.