Pistol Lanyard Swivel..Correct size..??

[gerhard]

Posted 08 January 2009 07:16 PM
Today in the mail......I received the Lanyard Swivel that I had ordered for my hopefull rework project for my Model 25 S&W .45....the manifest listed it from Numrich Arms as..LANYARD SWIVEL, NEW REPLACEMENT BLUE STEEL COLT 1917 NEW...It looks great...Im just surprised its not larger.?..it measures approximately 1 1/4" Wide..1" Tall...I dont have an original to compare it with...does anyone out there have an original.?.and whats the measurement on it.?..I appreciate anyone taking the time...Regards..Joe Fischer

 

[gerhard]

Posted 08 January 2009 07:16 PM
Today in the mail......I received the Lanyard Swivel that I had ordered for my hopefull rework project for my Model 25 S&W .45....the manifest listed it from Numrich Arms as..LANYARD SWIVEL, NEW REPLACEMENT BLUE STEEL COLT 1917 NEW...It looks great...Im just surprised its not larger.?..it measures approximately 1 1/4" Wide..1" Tall...I dont have an original to compare it with...does anyone out there have an original.?.and whats the measurement on it.?..I appreciate anyone taking the time...Regards..Joe Fischer

 

[smith17]

Joe:
I measured one (the whole assembly) off an old N frame and it is about 1 1/8 wide and about 3/4 tall. They really are not very big.
Ed

 

[gerhard]

Hi Ed....I appreciate your reply...relieves my mind a bit as thats the measurement on the one I received...Ive never handled one before.but it appears there must be a pin.?.or cotton pin that attaches lengthwise to hold it in the pistol.?..Ive ordered a set of Classic grips from Eagle grips..that convert the round bottom .45 to a square bottom..and looking at the photo of the grip..might have to modify and just attach the lanyard ring to the grips in some way..being they are fairly thick..and not long enough to attach to the pistol frame..do you have any suggestions on thoughts on that.?..especially about the attachment pin.?..if there is such an animal...by the way..I lived near Fort Worth for 6 years...still miss it...thanks..Joe Fischer

 

[gerhard]

Hey Ed...that word should have been..."Cotter Pin"....not cotton pin...my bad typing..Joe

 

[mod57]

gerhard,
The lanyard swivels are designed to attach to the bottom of the revolvers grip frame. A hole is drilled into the bottom of the frame and a cross pin is inserted into the frame to hold the swivel. You will have to drill these holes and I would suggest that you obtain some measurement from a revolver with a swivel, or have a good smith do it. With your new Eagle grips, I do not see a simple nor cheap way of firmly attaching the swivel. Are you installing the swivel for actual use?
regards,
Ralph

 

[MaineProbation]

Keep in mind that if the serial number is stamped on the butt, it is going to have to be re-stamped (I believe a licensed gunsmith can do this) before boring any hole that would obscure any part of the serial number.

 

[gerhard]

Im stll waiting on the arrival of the Wood Grips...but looking at the picture...they look fairly thick at the bottom..Ive got this fuzzy idea...not worked out totally yet...but possibly drilling a hole in the bottom of the grips...then cutting a horizontal trench.so to speak..left to right...to accomodate the pin to hold the swivel in...then put grips on pistol...Im thinking that due to the thickness..swivel wont come even close to gun butt.......some of you woodworkers weigh in on this....any advice is appreciated..Thanks..Joe

 

[Hondo44]

Originally posted by gerhard:
Im stll waiting on the arrival of the Wood Grips...but looking at the picture...they look fairly thick at the bottom..Ive got this fuzzy idea...not worked out totally yet...but possibly drilling a hole in the bottom of the grips...then cutting a horizontal trench.so to speak..left to right...to accomodate the pin to hold the swivel in...then put grips on pistol...Im thinking that due to the thickness..swivel wont come even close to gun butt.......some of you woodworkers weigh in on this....any advice is appreciated..Thanks..Joe

Just solved this problem two ways: On my 1917 Target I wanted to retain the lanyard ring but add target grips, so I hollowed out the bottom of the target grips. On my 500 Magnum with Hogue grips (with grip screw retention system at bottom of grip), I obtained a replacement screw from S&W parts Dept with a ring Smaller hole) on it that replaces the original Hohue bottom retention screw. Another thought if you're handy; extend the length of the lanyard ring shaft by welding or drill, tap and add to it so it will extend out thru a hole in the bottom of the wood grips while still mounting it in the metal grip frame. By the way the lanyard ring shaft is retained by a solid pin (slip fit) in a cross-drilled hole that lines up with the groove in lanyard shaft, not by cotter pin.

Jim SWCA #819

 

[gerhard]

Hi Jim...Thanks for your note...I just looked at the Lanyard Swivel that I got in from Numrich Arms...theres no hole drilled...it just has a "neck" I guess you could call it...that looks like it would take a cotter pin attached across it..Im hoping to get the grips maybe monday...just depends on how thick they are at the bottom......and will have to determine what would be the best tools to cut the horizontal slot with....also ..what type of pin to use...I appreciate any advice and help..Thanks..Joe

 

[Hondo44]

Originally posted by gerhard:
Hi Jim...theres no hole drilled...it just has a "neck" I guess you could call it...that looks like it would take a cotter pin attached across it...........and will have to determine what would be the best tools to cut the horizontal slot with....also ..what type of pin to use...I appreciate any advice and help..Thanks..Joe

Hi Joe,
I wasn't very clear; You install the lanyard ring shaft into the hole you'll drill in the center bottom of the grip frame butt. Then a solid pin is inserted in a hole cross drilled in the side of the grip frame at the level of that neck, you described, from the bottom of the butt surface. This cross drilled pin hole in the side of the grip frame must be at the height of that neck and must overlap the bigger hole by half of the pin hole width. The size of the crossdrilled hole is determined by the pin size which is the size of the 'neck' width. You can use a nail or a short piece cut off the end of the drill bit you use. Now having said that, be sure to drill your pin hole first. After locating it by placing the lanyard shaft next to the frame as if it were inserted all the way in, mark either side of where the edge of that big hole in the butt will be. Then center punch the frame on that mark at the point where the center of the neck groove falls. Drill the pin hole. Now pre drill the lanyard hole in the butt with an 1/8" drill followed by the full hole size drill. Making sure you drill halfway thru the pin hole. Insert the lanyard in the big hole and slip the pin thru the cross hole and voila, the lanyard can't come out.
Cut the slot in the bottom of the grip one side at a time with a small fine blade in a coping saw. If you don't have one, buy one. They are inexpensive and handy. Cut the oblong slot slightly smaller than you need, to leave material for finish sanding and cleanup of the saw marks. You may want to flare the hole wider on the outside surface to make attaching the lanyard easier. Stain inside the slot to match grips and put on a coat of tru oil or any gunstock oil.
If you get stuck, call me: 1 559 213 1484

Take it slow and you'll do fine,
Jim