Please help ID this shotgun

[seasoldier85]

A friend recently inherited this shotgun and knows nothing about it. It's at his mothers house, so he doesn't have it in hand at the moment. Only a couple pf pictures, none with the barrel markings. Anyone recognize this monogram?

 

[Richard Simmons]

Probably a previous owner and not the maker.

 

[s&wchad]

No clue...
The other pictures may help.

 

[2152hq]

Those are likely an owners initials inlaid in the wood as RS pointed out.
Not a simple job BTW.

There's few of the very high grade SxS guns that did the same with their makers Logo at times . Abbiatico & Salvinelli used a gold inlay of their Logo in the forend wood on a few of their SxS shotguns at one time.

Need the pics of markings on the bbl flats & action flats. Any markings at all can help.

 

[seasoldier85]

Thanks to all for the replies. Previous owner initials makes sense, hadn't thought of that. I told him he needed to get me more/better pictures. I'll post them when I get them. That is, of course, if it isn't obvious who manufactured it (Sears Roebuck?)

 

[Hawg Rider]

It may have been a very nice, high quality shotgun- but it's obviously well used and worn. Looks like most of the checkering has been worn smooth. Basic utility shotguns usually had little or no checkering, so this could be a higher grade. I agree that the monogram is probably the owner's initials, and IMHO the original owner would not have paid for a gold inlay monogram if it was just a run-of-the-mill department store shotgun. Without pictures, it's impossible for anyone to give you a better reply.

 

[seasoldier85]

I finally got a hold of this shotgun, going to clean it up for my friend. It appears to be possibly Belgian? Anyway, if somebody can identify these markings I'd greatly appreciate it. Also, would this gun be safe with modern smokeless shells? Thanks.

 

[s&wchad]

Yes, that's a Liege Belgium proof mark.

 

[jbtrucker]

I googled ACIER COMPRIME is a European shotgun

 

[s&wchad]

Acier is the type of barrel steel, not the manufacturer.

 

[2152hq]

I'd say there are 2 sets of Belgian proof marks on the bbl flats.

One, probably the original when the gun was built, are from before 1924.
The 12/c in a diamond is a pre 1924 style guage and choked bore symbol.
The m/m markings on the separated tubes just ahead of the bbl flats are as well.
They are the actual choke constriction spec. Substract the lesser from the larger amt and you have the choke constriction in that particular bbl in M/M's.

The stylized Lion over P.V. is a 1968 and forward Smokeless Powder Proof mark
The D=70m/m is a post 1924 marking to show chamber length (2 3/4" in this case.)

Acier Comprime is the bbl steel marketing name.
Hidden from view by the bbl lug might be a number that is the orig bbl set weight in Kilograms.
Something like 2K151 (just an example) That would have been stamped at the time of the orig proofing pre-1924.
It can be used to determine if the bbls have been honed out excessively and again need reproofing. Proof Law there demands a re-proof if the bbl set has been reduced in weight by more than 3% by honing or refinishing (striking/polishing).

So it looks like the older gun went back and got reproofed ,,maybe short chambers originally lengthened to 2 3/4 which would require reproofing.

 

[seasoldier85]

Thank you all for the information, very helpful.