Police sniper distances

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My grandson just bought his first deer rifle a Savage 6.5 Creedmore and asked what distances police snipers typically shot at. I thought I remembered reading that in urban environments the distances were much less than 100 yards probably more like 50 yards. He also asked what caliber police used. I thought it was likely 308 but I was just guessing.
Does anyone know ?
 
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I think you are fairly correct in you guesses. A long time ago I worked with a few law enforcement agencies and a long shot for them was 100 yards and generally they were using .308.
 
When Clinton was President he visited a locale near our club. A club officer contacted me to have the rifle range open early one morning.His advance security detail came and shot their rifles at 50 yards.Not much was said, they came and went with no fanfare.
 
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In the 1970's-90's The Columbus SWAT snippers typically trained at 75 yards (based on FBI data). Back then they used Remington 700 BDL's in 30-06. They went to Saur 308 bolt actions after that and have a mixed bag of M-4 type and heavy M-16 223, plus every precinct has a minimum of 2 cars with full size semi-auto AR-15's.


In the early 2000's Ohio Highway Patrol went from 2 Rapid Response Teams down to one. I don't know how many snipers they have but they sold off Team 2's Remington 700 PSP 308's (My oldest son has one of those.) The OHP snipers were rumored to train to 600 yards, and from some shots taken during the last prison riot, I would say they are familiar much further out!

Ivan
 
My grandson wanted the 6.5 because he read an article that said 3030 was his grandfathers deer rifle and 3006 was his dads and 6.5 was this generations deer rifle. Also he had seen a video that showed a shooter hitting targets consistently at 1000 yards with a Savage 6.5 Creedmore.
 
My grandson wanted the 6.5 because he read an article that said 3030 was his grandfathers deer rifle and 3006 was his dads and 6.5 was this generations deer rifle. Also he had seen a video that showed a shooter hitting targets consistently at 1000 yards with a Savage 6.5 Creedmore.

Hitting targets consistently at 1000 yards, is less a function of which cartridge, and more a function of consistent practice! I stayed in practice by shooting on mixed distance steel plate range out to 1200 yards at least once a month and more like twice a month and around 40 rounds per session!

There are also very different accuracy standards for Police and Military snipers.

The people I shot with considered 5"group at 1000 yards minimum accuracy (face size group) where most Military require a ONE SHOT from COLD BORE in a 12x16 target (body shot) Bigger bullseye, no spotters, every time!

Shooting distance has so many different factors, but do it 2 times a month for a year or two (using one loading of ammo) and it will be second nature.

Ivan
 
I thought I remembered reading that in urban environments the distances were much less than 100 yards probably more like 50 yards. He also asked what caliber police used.
For training purposes, all practical (and some impractical) distances are used...Not all skill levels are the same...A personal friend of more than 30 years was involved in a hostage shootout in a major local city (not hard to figure out)...He was one of four primary snipers assigned to the incident, and since he was certified (and still revered) as their best long distance shooter, he was placed with a spotter on a black tar-roofed building later measured at slightly more than 900 meters...His rifle was a Remington 700 in .300 Win Mag...

There were four targets, each holding a hostage and each armed with a handgun...All four shooters and spotters were in radio contact with their team commander who was the only one who could authorize taking shots...Each spotter called the signal "clear" when a shot was open for his shooter...Only when the commander heard four "clears" in unison would he make the "fire" call...

My friend had been on the roof exposed to the weather that day lying in one position looking through the ocular lens of his Leupold scope for 11 hours when an opportunity arose as his target momentarily allowed his hostage to give a brief glance at the chest of the target...His spotter called "clear" and as fortune permitted, the other three spotters called clear simultaneously...The commander called "fire" and four simultaneous shots were taken from distances ranging from 50 to 900 meters...

All targets dropped dead instantly with no harm to the hostages...All shooters immediately readied for a second shot if necessary...None was needed and the "all clear, stand down" command was given by the commander...My friend's spotter, who is also a friend of many years, told me that as soon as his shooter heard the "stand down" call, he cleared his rifle, put his head down on the rooftop and cried like a baby for several minutes...

It takes a very special person with acutely honed discipline and skills to have accomplished a feat like that...I have known this man for decades, and know many other instances, many of which I can never reveal, but to meet him today, no one would ever suspect he could be capable of such an incident...I only talk about this one because it was well publicized, and his one shot is legendary among those in the know...

I can only say that I have a very close, limited circle of friends whose presence I would pray for if my back was against the wall in a deadly situation, and my primary choice would be this man...:cool:...Ben
 
Stats for police sniper engagements is/was a 74 yard average back before I retired in 2015. Now, state police/county sheriffs may face longer ranges.

About shooting at 1000 yards.....shooting to 600 yards is, according to long range champions, pretty much a matter of mathematics and fundamentals. 1000 yards is an art form. Yes, it still involves fundamentals and getting your drop adjustments right, but wind judgement enters a whole new realm at that range.

Post #7 is correct, cartridge selection isn't that big a deal. Yes you can choose a cartridge/loading that minimizes drop/wind drift, but you still have to read the wind correctly. So choosing a deer cartridge based upon what some highly skilled people can do with it isn't real logical. And, bullet selection for game is a entirely different thing than choosing one for poking holes in paper.
 
My grandson wanted the 6.5 because he read an article that said 3030 was his grandfathers deer rifle and 3006 was his dads and 6.5 was this generations deer rifle. Also he had seen a video that showed a shooter hitting targets consistently at 1000 yards with a Savage 6.5 Creedmore.

This is with a 6.5 X 55 at 100 yards with iron sights on a Swedish CG 63 with only iron sights. My problem is seeing the target at 1000 yards with only irons and 70 year old eyes. We were trained with irons at 500 yards many moons ago. The receiver on the rifle was manufactured in 1902 and rebarreled in 1966.
 

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This is with a 6.5 X 55 at 100 yards with iron sights on a Swedish CG 63 with only iron sights. My problem is seeing the target at 1000 yards with only irons and 70 year old eyes. We were trained with irons at 500 yards many moons ago. The receiver on the rifle was manufactured in 1902 and rebarreled in 1966.
A tremendous number of game animals have been cleanly dropped by the venerable 6.5 x 55mm Swedish caliber.
 
Years ago, while running an army sniper train up for our battalion's snipers, we had one of the local sheriff's office long riflemen attend for a few days.

They, by department policy, did not shoot past 100 yards at an incident. We had them shooting from 300 to 1,000 yards with their Remington 700 heavy barrel 308 caliber rifles. It was truly eye opening for them to discover the factors of trajectory, wind deflection and how a shooter/spotter team works. They left quite confident that they were well qualified to take out a bad guy at 300 yards if necessary.

On the topic of prairie dogs: They are great sport and training. I've worn out barrels on 'em. Sadly, many of the large prairie dog towns of my youth have now been poisened out.
 
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In a prior assignment we had 700's in .308. We trained out to 200 yards on a consistent basis and sometimes we were able to squeeze 590 yards out of improvised ranges. In actual applications though it came down to 33, 44 and 53 yards while I was assigned.
 
A tremendous number of game animals have been cleanly dropped by the venerable 6.5 x 55mm Swedish caliber.

For many years, the 6.5x55 has been my favorite. I even shot in bench rest competition with a custom Mauser in that caliber.

At one time over 15 years ago I was a frequent visitor to FLETC - Glynco. Their Sniper range at that time was 100 yards (or maybe 100 meters), don't know if it still is.
 
This is with a 6.5 X 55 at 100 yards with iron sights on a Swedish CG 63 with only iron sights. My problem is seeing the target at 1000 yards with only irons and 70 year old eyes. We were trained with irons at 500 yards many moons ago. The receiver on the rifle was manufactured in 1902 and rebarreled in 1966.

Show off........

with the nice group &...........
the indian head nickle.
 
I was a sniper with my dept for 10 years in the late 70s/early 80s. We used the term riflemen not sniper.
I was issued a Remington 700 ADL in .30-06 with a fixed power 6X Redfield. Some of the team were issued Winchester 70 in .30-06. Issued ammo was 125 gr JSP. Mine was a great shooting rifle. When they got rid of the bolt actions I wish I could have bought that one. Best group I ever fired with that one was 5 rds into 3/4" at 175 yds. It was a perfect day for me and shooting conditions.
Most of our practice shooting was small targets within 100 yds. The one range we used the farthest we could shoot was 175 yds. Occasionally we'd use an open area owned by one of the team members where we could shoot to 450 yds. We'd set targets at various unknown distances. We never figured to ever be deployed at those distances but it gave us a lot of practice doping wind, judging distances, and spotting targets. Lots of fun.
When I went into plain clothes I had to get off the team and give up my rifle. Later they went with M14 and some 40X. Have no idea what's being issued now.
 
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I was the SWAT commander before my 1997 retirement and trained often w/our snipers @ 100 yards. Our agency was close to Quantico Marine Base and were fortunate enough to have them build our rifles for the individual team member.
 

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