Post war Regulation Police Target 4"

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Last year I picked up a 6" Regulation Police Target made in 1927 that was documented here.

In the latest Amoskeag auction I had the opportunity to bid on the 6" gun's little brother....and today I picked it up. :D

It didn't come with a letter, but the serial number is correct for the 196 post war 4" guns. I'll get an LOA request out to Mike and Don tomorrow.

My wife picked it up and declared that it was absolutely perfect in size and that she wanted one for herself. :eek: When I told her how much I paid for it, she put it right back down and told me to "buy an ugly one and do what you do". I guess I have my orders now.....
 

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The stocks are in good shape and numbered to the gun.

It's fascinating to compare the pre-war and post-war guns....at first glance they are the same, but then the ejector rod end jumps out at you, then you notice the 4 line "Made in USA" vs the single line, then the patent date on the pre-war stocks that isn't on the post-war gun, then the serrated trigger on the post-war gun vs the smooth trigger on the pre-war example. I'm sure I'll find more little things as time goes by.

Tomorrow I'll crack them both open so we can examine the insides, and then next weekend we'll make a range trip and see how they compare.
 

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Good Order

My wife picked it up and declared that it was absolutely perfect in size and that she wanted one for herself. When I told her how much I paid for it, she put it right back down and told me to "buy an ugly one and do what you do". I guess I have my orders now.....

You have your orders from an understanding wife.

Bekeart
 
That was quite a find and I can see why your wife wanted it.

In the short time I've been collecting, I have a developing opinion that the Regulation Police is a slightly overlooked collectible. These delicate little guns are indeed fascinating and I find them somewhat unique. My prize one is a .32 long, unfired in it's original box from 1925.

I still don't have a post war version but I'm on the prowl. Would love to find an overlooked target model.
 
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The stocks are in good shape and numbered to the gun.

It's fascinating to compare the pre-war and post-war guns....at first glance they are the same, but then the ejector rod end jumps out at you, then you notice the 4 line "Made in USA" vs the single line, then the patent date on the pre-war stocks that isn't on the post-war gun, then the serrated trigger on the post-war gun vs the smooth trigger on the pre-war example. I'm sure I'll find more little things as time goes by.

Tomorrow I'll crack them both open so we can examine the insides, and then next weekend we'll make a range trip and see how they compare.

Be careful when comparing the group of 196 post war guns with any other RP guns! You will see that S&W was using up left over parts found someplace in storage. I have two of these guns now and had a third. The two guns pictured have different grip medallions and checkering patterns. They were shipped in different boxes. The third gun I had was shipped in a Red Box and had the large pre war medallions.
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SnidelyWhiplash and I made a range trip this afternoon so that we could both try out some new toys. We had a fantastic, lazy Sunday afternoon just shootin' and talkin'. A great way to spend the afternoon.

The little 4" Regulation Police Target is a sweetheart to shoot. I popped off the first shot at roughly 10 yards and had to walk to the target to see where the hole was. When he saw it, Snidely said (in a snidely way, I might add ;)) that I should just pack up and go home after that shot. The next 3 were good and then I threw 2 shots high when I forgot where to put my thumb.

Those stocks are SMALL!! If this was going to be a regular shooter I would have to put on something larger.

The 6" RP Target came out for a little fun also. I screwed up and held the gold bead on the X instead of the top of the front post, so everything went high.

I guess that just means I need to shoot it more. :D
 

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Beautiful gun and one I have "Lusted" for for a long time. I've had the Bekeart style .22 Targets, and the .32 Reg Police, but the 4" Reg Police Target is out of my price range.
 
That's the problem with those I frame targets. Although they apparently weren't big sellers when they were in production, nowadays, almost everyone who sees one wants one. Sorry guys, but there just aren't that many of them out there! Oh well, "Hope springs eternal…"
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Since you didn't say, are these RP's 32 Long or 38 S&W caliber? I have 2 pre 4 1/4" WWII RP's in 32 Long, but they're not the target models
 
Since you didn't say, are these RP's 32 Long or 38 S&W caliber? I have 2 pre 4 1/4" WWII RP's in 32 Long, but they're not the target models
These are 32S&W Long. I am not aware of production 38 S&W targets in the Regulation Police series, although I do think I saw a thread on one once. Maybe someone else with remember or correct me if I am mis-remembering.
 
These are 32S&W Long. I am not aware of production 38 S&W targets in the Regulation Police series, although I do think I saw a thread on one once. Maybe someone else with remember or correct me if I am mis-remembering.
Dr. Jinks theorizes there are only 2 and I have one of them. Look at the second to the last post in this thread and you can see where the twin of mine went for over $5K in an Amoskeag auction this year.

 
Dr. Jinks theorizes there are only 2 and I have one of them. Look at the second to the last post in this thread and you can see where the twin of mine went for over $5K in an Amoskeag auction this year.

Craig. I found your post shortly after I posted this. I was going to offer to buy yours until I saw what the one brought at the Amoseek auction . Sheesh....
 
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Be careful when comparing the group of 196 post war guns with any other RP guns! You will see that S&W was using up left over parts found someplace in storage. I have two of these guns now and had a third. The two guns pictured have different grip medallions and checkering patterns. They were shipped in different boxes. The third gun I had was shipped in a Red Box and had the large pre war medallions.
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Look closely at the grip checkering borders:
One has sharp corners which are pre war albeit with post war medallions.
The other has post war round corners.

The only interior difference you will find is the hammer black safety. I think the 6" from the 1920's is new enough to have the 1st style side plate mounted safety. Your 4" has the post war sliding bar hammer block safety.


THE 196 32 TARGET RPs made in 1957:

I call these historical anachronisms; the ".32 Reg. Police Target Post War Transitional 'I' frame"
Using a common modern collector term we're all familiar with, these were "clean up guns".


They're obviously quite different than the contemporary I frames of 1957 which were the Models of 1953 New I frames.

They are like the Post War Transitional Models of the late 1940s.

Most features non-conforming to the non-target .32 RP Model of 1953 New I frame (Pre Model 31) guns of the 1957 period! A very convoluted transitional model for sure.

That's because it has 6 screws w/leaf spring, small trigger guard, pre war or post war service style round top rebated sq butt stocks, pre war style hammer spur, and the smaller pre war frame window size with cylinder diameter of 1.267". The pre war sights are obvious, some supplied w/special modified post war blue all steel sight adjusting tool (SAT) to fit tiny sight screws.

But with post war sliding bar hammer block safety, the 3rd and last style straight ejector rod with left hand thread, the 4 line address on frame, 1953 4" (not 4 1/4") barrel w/o patent dates, post war non-chamfered cyl flute sharp corners, post war grooved trigger, and the 3rd type post war non-sculpted thumb piece, (and post 1966 style after I frames became J frames), while all other I frames of the 1957 period have the third type flat latch.

Frame serial # stamped on front grip strap above the strain screw matching all other #'d parts including stocks, 9 locations in all, including rear sight, and both front and rear sight blades. Rear sight has single elevation screw, no elevation check screw.
of the late pre war sights.

Pre war/early transitional post war rebated rear grip strap with post war type 16 lpi checkering, round cornered border on round top stocks with curved nickel plated brass post war medallions. Some have pre war stocks, flat silver medallions and/or sharp cornered checkering borders.

The pre war sights are obvious, supplied w/special modified early post war blue all steel sight adjusting tool (SAT) , (another fluted aluminum handle version exists as well shown below), to fit the tiny sight screws.
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Below with my gun is a SAT that post war transitional target models with pre war sights were also sometimes supplied with and may have been used with this model. Although the fluted version shown below predominates due to the production time frame in 1957 of the 196 .32 Targets. It was likely exclusively for more of the 196 because by that 1957 date of production there were no other pre war target sighted guns being offered since the only others extending into the 1950s, the .22/32 Kit Gun and Target Transitionals ended with the 1953 model!
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Pre war/early post war hammer with sliding bar hammer block safety, post war grooved trigger, and the 3rd type post war non-sculpted thumb piece, (and post 1966 after I frames became J frames), while all other I frames of the 1957 period have the third type flat latch.

Most features non-conforming to the non-target Pre Model 31 guns of the 1957 period! But it has the 3rd and last style straight ejector rod with left hand thread, no patent dates on barrel and has the 4 line address. A very convoluted transition model for sure. These 196 guns are on page 128, 3rd edition, Standard Catalog of S&W, Supica and Nahas, and pictured on pg. 127.
 

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