Power Pistol

[BLUEDOT37]

I am looking for data using 170gr SWC from Oregon Trail Bullets using Power Pistol. I intend to use it as a target load in my full size and compact M&P.

I have looked all over on the web with no success. Can anyone help?

What cartridge?

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Another 3 year old thread brought back from the ABYSS... Why?

 

[Ksimons]

Another 3 year old thread brought back from the ABYSS... Why?

Some of us where not around three years ago
I use PP in 38/357 and 40 and like the results

 

[forestswin]

Another 3 year old thread brought back from the ABYSS... Why?

Arch,
I guess Gatorjak, the 2013 new OP has been doing some research on his own, using Google and/or the forum search trying to get some information, before posting a question - just as many here on the forum have requested.

Good for him!

 

[Maximumbob54]

Because everyone should know to go buy HP-38!!!!

 

[Wee Hooker]

What do you think of Power Pistol for the 45 ACP?

Can't be too good. My LGS has one can of powder in stock after months of being ravaged. it's power Pistol. :=)

 

[geddylee10002000]

Could this be the next gen PP?

Alliant Powder - BE-86

 

[Steve C]

What do you think of Power Pistol for the 45 ACP?

Power pistol works great in high pressure 9mm and .40 S&W. I use my PP exclusively for these calibers.

I feel that Unique has the optimum burn rate for the .45 acp and PP is on the slow side of that optimum efficiency. In the .45 acp I found it to produce lower velocity than the manuals indicate while Unique is much better for full power ball equivalent or 1K fps + loads using 185gr JHP's in .45 ACP. Since you use more grains of PP than Unique its not as economical.

If it was the only powder I could find then I'd use it but a little faster powder would be preferred.

 

[BLUEDOT37]

I feel that Unique has the optimum burn rate for the .45 acp and PP is on the slow side of that optimum efficiency. In the .45 acp I found it to produce lower velocity than the manuals indicate while Unique is much better for full power ball equivalent or 1K fps + loads using 185gr JHP's in .45 ACP. Since you use more grains of PP than Unique its not as economical.

IMO, Power Pistol out performs Unique in full power 45ACP loads, like "+P" & 45 Super. It's slower & denser, which is what's needed for these. Try the documented 11.3grs. under a 185 JHP, in a Super case and a properly setup 1911, or 325/625, to see. I like & use Unique too, but there's no comparision in this setting.

 

[ddixie884]

Brian Pearce did an article in Handloader a couple of years ago about 200gr bullets in .45acp. He said PP gave +P performance at standard pressures. He used several different bullets and powders, and it was a good article. I prefer 230gr for .45acp in my autos and heavier swc in revolvers. PP was originally a noncannister grade powder called BE84.

see below.

 

[BLUEDOT37]

Brian Pearce did an article in Handloader a couple of years ago about 200gr bullets in .45acp. He said PP gave +P performance at standard pressures. He used several different bullets and powders, and it was a good article. I prefer 230gr for .45acp in my autos and heavier swc in revolvers. PP was originally a noncannister grade powder called BE84.

I didn't know PP was formerly called BE84. "geddylee" (above) mentioned a new powder Alliant is appearantly coming out with called BE-86. Coincidence? It says it "Contains flash suppressant". Some people (not me) don't like how flashy PP is, so maybe this is to address that? Couldn't find any load data for it in their online guide yet.

 

[Gatorjak]

What cartridge?

.40 S&W Just saw I forgot that. Sorry

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Well, I'm hoping this is the start of a good trend where all the manufacturers add a flash suppressor to their powders.

 

[BLUEDOT37]

.40 S&W Just saw I forgot that. Sorry

Lyman #49 lists P-P & 175gr. LSWC data for 40S&W.
Start 5.8grs/~900fps to max. 6.6grs/~1000fps.

This should get you going with your 170gr. OTBs.

 

[Gatorjak]

Lyman #49 lists P-P & 175gr. LSWC data for 40S&W.
Start 5.8grs/~900fps to max. 6.6grs/~1000fps.

This should get you going with your 170gr. OTBs.

Thank you Bluedot37!!! I appreciate your help.

 

[gvsteve]

I shoot mostly 185 and 200 and occasionally the 230 gr JHP. I don't care much for LSWC's because of the leading-cheap for sure but, I don't like using the Lewis Lead Remover every time I come back from the range.[/QUOTE]

I use IMR Trail Boss with 230gr cast RN and don't have a leading problem. Cleaner then using W231 with FMC.

 

[cliffoa]

I loaded 6 44mags using Power Pistol. Recipe was:
44 240gr target hollow point
10 grains Power Pistol
Winchester Large Pistol or Mag Pistol loads primers
1.6 coal
Anyone see any issues with this before I test it at the range?

 

[Loyaljeeper]

I use Power Pistol with cast 230 grain with standard velocity and find it does just fine. In fact I load Power Pistol in 9mm, 38spl, and 45acp and really don't bother using anything else. I think I have even used it in 380 but it's been a while.

 

[Loyaljeeper]

I use IMR Trail Boss with 230gr cast RN and don't have a leading problem. Cleaner then using W231 with FMC.

You are the first person I have ever heard say that Trail boss is cleaner than W231.

 

[ddixie884]

10gr ought to be @ 1000fps. Pressure shouldn't be a problem. Think Unique only just a tad slower.......