PPC-9 market price adjustment

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All of the true Performance Center semiautomatic pistols were made in very limited quantities and because of this, they are not exactly easy to find them. In all my searching, there is one place that beats all others hands down, no contest, if the subject is finding PC pistols that are for sale. I'm not saying that Gunbroker is the cheapest place, but it is undoubtedly the largest market where the most S&W PC pistols are traded.

As expected, models made in low volume are a little more difficult to pin down in price, and as with any auction, there are many facets beyond simply the model of gun that affect the final hammer price.

Last night I observed a new stratospheric high for a rare PC model. The pistol is the 6-inch long slide version of the PPC-9 pistol, and an auction that was supposed to end on Sunday evening finally ended around 2am Monday morning at $8,000.

All true Performance Center semiautomatic pistols are special handguns but the PPC-9 model is specifically interesting as it was never a cataloged item. You couldn't go in to any gun store in North America and buy one and no dealer (not even Lew Horton) could request one. To get a PPC-9, you had to be sworn law enforcement AND you had to make a written request to S&W on the letterhead of your department or agency to get a PPC-9.

So, what is "market price" for a PPC-9 these days? Well, it is a fluid market. Gotta start with laying out the available versions. I believe there were three different versions available in North America -- two versions of the 5-inch gun and a single 6-inch long slide.

Typical market that I have seen for a 6-inch Long Slide PPC-9 would run from $3,000 on the low end (visible wear, no box, no papers/accessories, but no alterations or damage beyond finish wear) to probably $4,500 on the high end.

The piatol that sold last night was not mint, but it was in high condition and included the original box and everything and also included the scarce white cardboard outer carton, which may sound silly to some, but this carton has the original S&W end label.

Add all that up and have it offered with many pictures and a well-known, high feedback seller -AND- get two high rollers with deep pockets and a bidding war and, well, $8,000 final price.

This doesn't mean that a 6-inch long slide PPC-9 is now "worth 8 grand!" but it has been my experience on Gunbroker that you have a really good chance of seeing some of the same (or close!) models get listed very quickly in the wake of this event.... typically with some obscene "buy it now" prices attached.
 
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There are some on this Forum that know all about a certain Smith , like m39's . I've got to say Sevens you never cease to amaze me on your knowledge of most , if not all modern Smiths . If I can't find what I need in the Bible , I text you and I get what I need .
 
Haha, thanks but you give me too much credit. I have a pretty good handle on the production guns but no more than many active minds of these pages. These PC pistols are where my heart really lies, and there is often more mystery than anything in the world of the Performance Center guns.
 
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Hello Sevens, yes I watched ( with some interest)that also , at least till my bedtime at around $6750. Guess the haggling went on for several hours after that. Well it was a bit of a shock, but I watch other guns go for a bunch , its like everything else, all you need is 2 guys with bucks, who aren't willing to wait for another one to come along. Like you Im waiting to see how many are listed in the next week or so. Really wish I hadn't sold my wifes when she quit shooting, HA.

Not really sure how many of the PPC 9 were made, I think the most were the 5 inch, first issue type with the ( bullnose) type slide . There are a few 6" guns with that same type design out there, S/W gave them to a few of the best PPC shooters at the time, then came out with the 6" longslide design that you see usually.
Maybe someone can tell us how many were made, I think the 5" and 6" guns all shared serial numbers just depends what they were doing a run of at the time.Of course have to take the European market into account also.
My favorite is the 5" 5906 (non ppc) version , been told less than 50 of those. I will say for the money ,at the time , for shooting PPC, they were great guns.The sweep up type safety(hammer block) really doesn't lend itself to shooting action type matches, Bianchi would be ok.
We will see how the market goes now, really only bad if your looking to buy one, but they are kinda scarce to see for sale .
Bob
 

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I am fortunate to own a 5-inch with the standard full dust cover, and it's the most money I've ever spent on one handgun. Never say never, but that purchase was about 3 years ago and I honestly feel like I may never again in my life spend that much on a gun again.

It is a special handgun and I'm thrilled to own it.
 
Something else worth noting...

Folks, these conversations are perhaps the ONLY written record of the elite pistols from this era of S&W. Scattered overview articles published on gun magazines here and there and some bits of company printed literature and glossy spec sheets exist, but there is no published reference on these guns.

The fantastic Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson attempts to list many of the models but, for as much as I truly love that book, it simply does not do the PC pistols justice.

If old and newer discussions of these hosted on the S&W forum ever go offline or crash, it will be the destruction of art and historical record.

I long for a professional to take on a serious and comprehensive publishing project.
 
The early model PPC9,( 3rd from top left side) was one of the first run guns,This gun has had over 200,000 rds and several new shooters over the years and still shoots less than 1" at 25.
1998, I think,The Open class auto match had just started in PPC, before that it was just Distinguished Semi auto, most shot duty guns or a 1911 45acp of some type. The PPC 9 was quite a revelation in PPC competition, many of us had 5906s, so mags were no problem, but to have an a very easy to shoot, very accurate,great trigger, affordable ( around 800) if I remember right, and especially in 9mm, which was easy to come by. Since it was a 5" gun you could shoot open and distinguished matches , nobody had 6" guns at the time, unless sig 210s were 6".
I had a few friends that had 9mm 1911s built , very expensive and somewhat unreliable , at that time. The PPC 9s would shoot anything well, but the twist in the early guns favored light fast bullets. What most carried in their duty guns at the time. Later guns , like the 6" models seemed to shoot ( at 50 yards)heavier 147 gr type bullets better, which most agencies had switched to by then. Over the years most shooters switched to 1911 of some make.
Another thing I loved about the PPC9, especially since my wife also competed , you could clean 2 or 3 ppc9s in the time it took to clean one 1911. In MS it used to rain a lot and the S/W was much easier to break down and dry out. They are just great shooting guns.
 
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PPC9 values

Wow! What a price. I was thinking maybe $5000 to $5500. Almost makes me want to sell mine but then I know I could never afford one again! They are sweet guns. Pulled a couple of mine out of the safe and tried the triggers and they are even better than I remember.
 
That's an impressive price alright! At least there were two guys out there who realized the PC guns of that era really were something special. Over time, I owned a total of 7 PC guns from those days. Only have 3 left, and wish I'd kept them all. Cleanly machined, precisely fitted, boringly reliable with excellent accuracy. Now it appears the "PC" is primarily polymer framed pistols and revolvers of unusual configuration....

FWIW, it always seemed to me that the PC guns were minimally advertised, and almost unknown to the shooting/buying public. I've seen negative comments on the internet, indicating that the PC guns of that era were just regular production guns sent to the PC for a little custom work. Some of mine were already out of production by the time I learned that such guns were even available. Anyway, we'll not see their like from S&W again.
 
I loved the concept.... back in the 80s folks like ASP,Trapper, Beulert (sp ??) were charging $1000-1500 or more to do custom work on your $500 gun..... in those days mostly 39s,59s and Browning HPs.

The idea of sending off your gun to get it customized based on a picture in a "Gun Rag" ...... wondering if they actually worked and what about extra magazines......... was not appealing to a young lawyer.


Now here was S&W offering the same "custom" gun for less than half the total price .... and it wasn't a rebuilt gun..... and it was built from the ground up by the "factory"'s best gunsmiths..... with S&W standing behind it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had 5 or 6 ...... still have 4...... two Shorty-9s, a 5906 DPA and one of 179 SD-9s.

Mine all came from the same Police Supply House in south Central Pa.......... they had lots of PC guns ...... that just didn't seem to sell!!!!! My guess the cops/locals weren't willing to spend an extra $300-400 on a "special"6906/5906 duty gun they could buy for $400. Not to mention what the h--- is an all stainless....... SD-9??????????????????

Wish I'd known how few of each of these guns were built and how short the life span of the true "Performance Center" would be.
 
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I have more 952s than I care to admit. A couple of 845s. A PC3953. A PC 5" 5903 and a "Shorty 9". Not bragging. I'm blessed to have those guns. They are not only exceptional guns, they are now a piece of history.

I'd challenge anyone to shoot a 845 and come away thinking it's just a cosmetically gussied up version of a production gun.
 
I am the lucky guy who now owns the 5906 PPC in question. I say lucky not just because I got the pistol, but because my wife stayed up half of the night and got it bought while I went to bed(I love that woman).

Congrats--you don't see many PPC-9 long slides for sale (let alone one with Performance Center case, factory labeled cardboard shipper, target, and all paperwork).

As I recall, I believe you purchased another PPC-9 long slide on GB about 18 months ago (per your earlier posts).
 
It would be interesting to get @jjbrewst1's perspective on the current market for PPC-9s (and more broadly 3rd Generation PC pistols).

The market for PC pistols has been soft--are things picking up?
 
I would agree that generally, the market for PC pistols has been a bit soft over the past year or more, but I wouldn't agree that that general trend has followed to the 6-inch long slide pistols. Some of those have continued to be sock-knockers.

("sock knocker" as in "knock your socks off!" ;))
 
I'd challenge anyone to shoot a 845 and come away thinking it's just a cosmetically gussied up version of a production gun.
I couldn't agree more if I had written that myself. It was the 845 that my buddy purchased and we shot the next day that is specifically responsible for the way I felt about all handguns going forward. It changed my collecting focus and it changed my perception of what a shooter could or might wish to expect out of a pistol they might consider buying.

I can't say that this would happen with everyone, but if you are familiar with real craftsmanship in a handgun when you feel it, an 845 will make you do a double-take if you've never handled or shot true S&W Performance Center pistols.

In this forum, YES, I know how much we all love the 1-2-3rd Gens. But I think more than a couple regulars in these pages might experience a jaw-drop moment if they have never handled or shot some the of the PC ringers.
 
I couldn't agree more if I had written that myself. It was the 845 that my buddy purchased and we shot the next day that is specifically responsible for the way I felt about all handguns going forward. It changed my collecting focus and it changed my perception of what a shooter could or might wish to expect out of a pistol they might consider buying.

I can't say that this would happen with everyone, but if you are familiar with real craftsmanship in a handgun when you feel it, an 845 will make you do a double-take if you've never handled or shot true S&W Performance Center pistols.

In this forum, YES, I know how much we all love the 1-2-3rd Gens. But I think more than a couple regulars in these pages might experience a jaw-drop moment if they have never handled or shot some the of the PC ringers.

I agree that 845s are fantastic pistols (love the way they look, and they shoot even better).

Incidentally, a shooter grade 845 (more rare 1998 version) sold for ~$2,100 on the big auction site last night.
 
Putting the crazy bidding war aside, the next bidders bid was 4500 which I figured it was going to go for. Doubt another will sell anywhere near 8k. Congrats to the gentleman that won it.

Eric
 
Yep, and that one was a pistol offered by our own jjbrewst1, it sold last night along with a 952-1.
 
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