Bullseye Smith
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Plus if you look at some of my old post , I built a 686 with a 3.5lb double action trigger pull. Now it is a 9mm, 38short colt, or 38 super.
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SGT ROCK 11B
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The Neck Hold was only done at 50 Yards and on my PPC gun I would set it on #3. #1 was 7 and 15 yards. #2 was 25 yards.
SGT ROCK 11B
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In this picture the Front Sight is in the #1 position.
Two of my PPC guns were Bill Davis builds.
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Jim Watson
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Anecdote alert:
Noticed from last year:
A friend worked in a gun store in the 1970s and if reloading time was short, would buy ammo on his employee discount. He asked the Speer/CCI salesman:
"Why does Speer ammo shoot reliably in my tuned revolver when reloads with CCI primers often misfire"?
"Uh, ah, well, it's like this; we get our brass for loading Speer ammo from Federal and it comes in already primed."
Noticed from last year:
A friend worked in a gun store in the 1970s and if reloading time was short, would buy ammo on his employee discount. He asked the Speer/CCI salesman:
"Why does Speer ammo shoot reliably in my tuned revolver when reloads with CCI primers often misfire"?
"Uh, ah, well, it's like this; we get our brass for loading Speer ammo from Federal and it comes in already primed."
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Years ago, 1984, I went to somewhere near Kansas City Mo and shot a match put on by the National Marksman Sports Society. It was a big match and was open to anyone. The course of fire was the same as a regular PPC match EXCEPT at the 50-yard line you shot standing unsupported, instead of sitting. I really liked it because I hated seated and was pretty steady in those days. I think I saw the ad for the match in Police Marksman magazine.
Shot PPC from 1982 to 2015. Can't begin to imagine how many wadcutters that is. Shot several guns along the way. Mostly guns from Davis or one of his gunsmiths.
Shot PPC from 1982 to 2015. Can't begin to imagine how many wadcutters that is. Shot several guns along the way. Mostly guns from Davis or one of his gunsmiths.
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Shot PPC in the early '70's it was police only, all local departments and better than 95% shot with city issued duty 4" model 10's. No trigger/action jobs allowed. Grips and nail polish OK.
The serious guys shot with store bought ammo. Everybody else was using department rolled wadcutters. The firing line looked like a civil war skirmish. Some real smokey powder used then. A lot of fun and beer afterwards. The guys from ghetto cities shot D/A only, ever. It was a matter of pride and reality.
Never saw a PPC race gun used, only photos in gun magazines.
The serious guys shot with store bought ammo. Everybody else was using department rolled wadcutters. The firing line looked like a civil war skirmish. Some real smokey powder used then. A lot of fun and beer afterwards. The guys from ghetto cities shot D/A only, ever. It was a matter of pride and reality.
Never saw a PPC race gun used, only photos in gun magazines.
Protocall_Design
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They are still shooting PPC in the Kansas City area at Pioneer Gun Club. Newsletter at [email protected]. PGC website at Pioneer Gun Club.
I shot with them from the early 80s until sometime around 2010. It's a pretty good bunch of people. There are some good shooters that you could learn a lot from by shooting with them. Everyone is welcome.
I shot with them from the early 80s until sometime around 2010. It's a pretty good bunch of people. There are some good shooters that you could learn a lot from by shooting with them. Everyone is welcome.
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I was just 16 back in ‘89 when I watched all the cops shooting PPC at my sportsman’s club and every one of them was shooting a pimped out custom gun with very custom leather and Safariland Comp III’s and even at that young age (when it’s now easy to see how little I knew) that it sure seemed nuts to me that ONLY sworn LE were allowed to participate in this competition that seemed to replicate nothing that anyone would ever experience out in the world.
I understand now that it seems every “reality” based competition in shooting evolves similarly. They all get gamed, and incrementally, the gear sneaks outside of real world based and moves toward competition. This evolution is well documented in IPSC and IDPA, so it makes sense that PPC was the same way.
Protocall_Design
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For most of history, Bullseye was the only pistol match. Then came PPC. There were only these 2 for decades. PPC had a long time to get gamed, with no distractions from other kinds of matches. All the games eventually turn into an equipment race because everyone is trying anything they can think of to gain the winning edge.
Then, when someone hits on something that works, or is perceived to work, everyone will jump on the bandwagon and do it too. It just sort of ratchets up over time. This happens in every sport.
Then, when someone hits on something that works, or is perceived to work, everyone will jump on the bandwagon and do it too. It just sort of ratchets up over time. This happens in every sport.
You're bringing up very valid points. The PPC that I knew was between the guys from poor industrial cities with very little support for training. So the guys that liked to shoot used city issued revolvers that had to be kept stock. Plus you never wanted to have a jury find out you had a modified weapon that shot the dearly departed.
We were lucky that the department had a reloader because they never supplied training ammo. You got enough ammo to get through the police academy, then nothing. An action job was dry firering a few thousand times.
This built up your finger and taught you to stage the trigger. I got very good at that control of S&W revolvers and have used them ever since.
This background is why my carry gun is a DAO 442. It's an extension of my arm, gutter sights are more than enough. It's also why I can't relate to shooters that have a carry rotation, both guns and holsters.
Yeah, fifty years later I have some high end range toys, but that's totally separate from a work gun. I know I annoy some here with my belief in SD guns being simple and stock. But half a century of training has me set in my ways.
I paid $2. A box for store bought reloads with 50 brass trade in. How about you other guys, how much in the geezer days?
After the first few years of shooting a 6" L frame, I figured I needed a full blown PPC gun to get up or keep up with the other competitors. So traded in my L frame and 150.00 to Bill Davis for a grade 3B gun. After much drooling at the Nationals and it being the last day Bill took care of me... Shot that for several years. Went to a heavier gun for over 25 years... For many years I shot the distinguished revolver very well, mid 90s with the front half clean. That was using round nose ammo at about 850 fps and not anywhere near the practice time put in with the heavy gun. I used to wonder why you really needed a custom gun for matches.
But in discussion with other guys who shot better, they convinced me that even an additional point or two over the course, in the open gun class, made it worth the custom gun. Most matches being won or lost by a single point or a few Xs.
But in discussion with other guys who shot better, they convinced me that even an additional point or two over the course, in the open gun class, made it worth the custom gun. Most matches being won or lost by a single point or a few Xs.
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