Moonman
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CNN just had a clip of the Task Force meeting going on now.
He stated the President will be taking EXECUTIVE ACTION.
He stated the President will be taking EXECUTIVE ACTION.
PRESIDENT TO TAKE "EXECUTIVE ACTION" ON GUN CONTROL PER BIDEN
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Erich
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Okay - he can stop imports of certain things, as did Bush I.
He can do a lot more than that, if he so chooses. Mostly because many don't think he can.
Comparing the present with the past is a waste of energy at our present stage.
Erich
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While I am a lawyer practicing in the area of constitutional law, I have not really researched the limits of executive order (other than having a general familiarity with the case law on the subject), so I'll defer to your expertise.
gregintenn
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Erich,
It has been painfully obvious that this administration has done many things conflicting with current law. To date, they really haven't been called out publicly for these deeds. The result is that the acts stand. What makes you think something of this nature would be any different?
It has been painfully obvious that this administration has done many things conflicting with current law. To date, they really haven't been called out publicly for these deeds. The result is that the acts stand. What makes you think something of this nature would be any different?
JenniferG
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The President believes he can trump the Constitution with Executive orders. Even if he can't order people to turn in our guns he can regulate how they are sold and the people that sell them. He can also have the government take over the gun makers. He proved that with General Motors takeover. The bottom line is we all knew this was going to happen but people sat on their hands on election day.
That's water over the dam. Now what do we do. Write to your media hungry representatives? Don't put yourself bewtween your gun grabbing legislator and a camera. That's more dangerous than owning a compound in Waco Texas.
I went to a bunch of rallies during the last major gun grab in '94 in Harrisburg PA and other places. I kept on seeing signs that said "we came unarmed this time". A Million Gun March on Washington? This time we came armed? Just throwing some ideas out there not a call for insurrection. That may happen anyway without any suggestions from me when the King's minion Biden comes out and says you have to turn in this and that guns and register yourself as a gun owner. Australia and Britain did that very thing. The people turned them in.
They're going to get guns this time, they're going to infringe on our rights. It's going to happen. Did ya vote?
That's water over the dam. Now what do we do. Write to your media hungry representatives? Don't put yourself bewtween your gun grabbing legislator and a camera. That's more dangerous than owning a compound in Waco Texas.
I went to a bunch of rallies during the last major gun grab in '94 in Harrisburg PA and other places. I kept on seeing signs that said "we came unarmed this time". A Million Gun March on Washington? This time we came armed? Just throwing some ideas out there not a call for insurrection. That may happen anyway without any suggestions from me when the King's minion Biden comes out and says you have to turn in this and that guns and register yourself as a gun owner. Australia and Britain did that very thing. The people turned them in.
They're going to get guns this time, they're going to infringe on our rights. It's going to happen. Did ya vote?
Thank you.While I am a lawyer practicing in the area of constitutional law, I have not really researched the limits of executive order (other than having a general familiarity with the case law on the subject), so I'll defer to your expertise.
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Keep in mind, this man does what he wants until someone tells him to stop. You know if the R's didn't win the House in 2010 then we would have had this already. You know he is going to try and get the UN Arms Treaty signed as well. I think everyone better realize right now that this is as bad as it has ever been, even Bill Clinton didn't try anything like this stuff. I think if you have the money for it, you better buy it right now because there is a good chance we won't be getting some things for a while. I am getting to watch Cuomo's state of the state to see what is up his sleeve for us NY'ers.
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Pointshoot
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While I am a lawyer practicing in the area of constitutional law, I have not really researched the limits of executive order (other than having a general familiarity with the case law on the subject), so I'll defer to your expertise.
As an attorney and specialist is this area . . . where are 'executive orders' mentioned in the US Constitution ?
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On Fox there already saying this could quickly be overturned by a congress who is fearful of another turn over like in 1994 AWB. I quote from fox "America is a Gun Loving Country" I gotta agree and congress is more into self preservation then anything else. I could easily see a large number of democrats turning on the president and no longer supporting him. Special if they think there seats could be in jeopardy. He has also proven several times he is willing to throw anyone under the bus to make him self look good.
Then we have the supreme court he would have to deal with next. He only scraped by with the Obama care bill because they seen it as a tax. I don't think he will have the same luck with a gun bill.
I think things are gearing up and this is going to be a really nasty slug fest between the White House and Congress. I think the democrats will be more then happy to keep this in the news as long as possible to keep Americans off the debt ceiling, unemployment, and the other major problems America is facing.
Then we have the supreme court he would have to deal with next. He only scraped by with the Obama care bill because they seen it as a tax. I don't think he will have the same luck with a gun bill.
I think things are gearing up and this is going to be a really nasty slug fest between the White House and Congress. I think the democrats will be more then happy to keep this in the news as long as possible to keep Americans off the debt ceiling, unemployment, and the other major problems America is facing.
Erich
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The words do not appear. The constitutional basis is generally considered to be Art. II, sections 1 and 2.
Look - I have no desire to argue with or educate anyone, and I have no desire to justify anything. However I'd urge everyone here to remember to try to sound reasonable with our publicly aired concerns, lest you make gun owners sound unreasonable.
Pointshoot
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But all the Constitution is, -- is words.
All the Bill of Rights is, -- is words.
I agree that we must be measured in our response, and not go off half cocked. We'll see what comes of this.
But frankly, to think that there are 'limits' to one who would abuse power, doesnt seem to fit the lessons of history.
duppie
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I personally believe that Obama is going to shock most of us with what will amount to a far reaching decree.
Mag limits, so called assault weapon bans, online ammo sales limits,background and mental health checks at gun shows, 10 day or more waiting periods,all gun sales going through FFLs,national registry and databases of licensed gun owners and perhaps even more.
I do hope I'm wrong but we're not getting out of this unscathed and the opportunity is ripe for him
Mag limits, so called assault weapon bans, online ammo sales limits,background and mental health checks at gun shows, 10 day or more waiting periods,all gun sales going through FFLs,national registry and databases of licensed gun owners and perhaps even more.
I do hope I'm wrong but we're not getting out of this unscathed and the opportunity is ripe for him
StatesRightist
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I do not blame you for not wanting to get into circular arguments with closed minds, however, guys like you and Jagdog can provide excellent insights into issues like this. Many of us would appreciate being "educated", just something to consider.....
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VP Biden is meeting with the NRA this week. Let's see how this goes. It appears some form of compromise is coming. Many of us won't like it, those opposed to guns will (also) not like it, but that's usually what happens in politics when people have disagreements.
Joewisc
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Last time I checked We The People entrusted government to three CO-EQUAL branches. If the President exceeds his authority, then Congress needs to strap 'em on.
PeterCartwright
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We are not a police state. At least not yet. Laws have to have some basis of public acceptance or they are practically unenforceable. If there is a perception by a large fraction of the population that a law (or regulation) or part of a law is unjust or illegitimate, compliance will become an issue.
I don't think it's healthy for a country when there is a large gap between what government and citizens deem legitimate. That's one reason why I'm not a fan of executive orders, as opposed to laws that must actually pass through the fire of the legislative process. But our country has history with controversial executive orders.
PC
I don't think it's healthy for a country when there is a large gap between what government and citizens deem legitimate. That's one reason why I'm not a fan of executive orders, as opposed to laws that must actually pass through the fire of the legislative process. But our country has history with controversial executive orders.
PC
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