Price check on Model 19 2 1/2"

I predict that guns in provable "original" boxes or packaging are eventually going to be worth disproportionately more, i.e., a like-new gun without box is worth $500 and the same gun with the original packaging worth $1000. Just wait, watch and see..... It makes little sense, but that's the way true avid collectors (of many things) think.


I disagree. Maybe if you keep a 19-3 unfired, pristine for another 30 or 40 years you may be able to double the value if it has the box and goodies. However; I have seen a very old, highly desireable, very few made RM box bring $4000, but that is the extreme exception.
 
It does not seem like it, but that is often the way it is with collectibles. If they have original packaging they can often be worth not just more, but much much more. I predict that guns in provable "original" boxes or packaging are eventually going to be worth disproportionately more, i.e., a like-new gun without box is worth $500 and the same gun with the original packaging worth $1000. Just wait, watch and see..... It makes little sense, but that's the way true avid collectors (of many things) think.

I'm glad that the store and the consignor made the adjustment for you. It was certainly appropriate under the circumstances.

I am a little confused by the destruction of the box. Once the box had been removed from your transaction, it was no different than any other box in the store or any other item belonging to that consignor. The box certainly had value, just not as the original shipping container of THAT gun. Apparently, the store owner had the consent of the consignor to destroy it...and you can draw your own conclusions as to whether or not that indicated some complicity on either of their parts.

The original problem discovered in this transaction was not that the gun was sold in the box; it was that it was sold as "new in a box that was its original box".

The packing containers for older, valuable items obviously have a value of their own, even when empty. That is true whether we are talking about the box for a Registered Magnum or an antique child's toy. That is due to that fact that 1) they were made of less sturdy materials and therefore often didn't survive into the present and 2) since their primary purpose was to protect the item until it reached the end user and consequently, the end user generally threw it away. So when the collectible is rarely found in its original container, it is highly valued.

When a box that is correct for the piece (not to be confused with the original box) is found, most collectors like to add it to their collectible item. That DOES NOT mean that it is as valuable as the original box nor should it EVER be passed off as such.

To continue to use the Reg. Mag. example, it is common to attribute the value of an empty blue box as $1000. When a Reg. Mag. is placed in that box it easily raises the value of the package that much or more; even though the number on the bottom does not match that of the gun. If that same box was discovered to have the SAME number as the gun, the value of the package is raised significantly over the individual value of the two items.

In the case of the sale under discussion, even if it had been advertised as in an original box, that would also have been incorrect, just as if a Reg. Mag. had been sold in a blue Outdoorsman box and sold as in "an original box". The value of the destroyed box probably had a value somewhere a little south of $100. But if someone actually had a gun that would have been "correct" in that box they might have paid more for it.

Bob
 
MT,

Box, schmox, either way is never a deal-breaker for me. You have a very desirable revolver in beautiful condition! Savor the fact that it's yours, Shoot it, or not, I believe owning that nickle 19 snub is (and will continue to be) very satisfying.

Great Score!
Mike
 
MT,

Box, schmox, either way is never a deal-breaker for me. You have a very desirable revolver in beautiful condition! Savor the fact that it's yours, Shoot it, or not, I believe owning that nickle 19 snub is (and will continue to be) very satisfying.

Great Score!
Mike

I agree. So that's how you spell schmox!! ;)
 
That box won't be worth a penny to you if you bought it as an investment when you pass. Thats what life insurance is for! Lots of folks drink and smoke that amount of money away in just 6 months or less. Very bad investment.

Have many ANIB revolvers and shoot em all. Just take darn good care of them and they still look great. Best part of owning one is having fun and enjoying them, either alone or with a bud IMO at the range, out in the country or off the back porch if you live in the sticks like me.

I think you still did good on that 19 as it's your money and a sweet revolver. They are still one if not the best revolvers for SD ever made and will never be made the same. Shoot it (my suggestion) or bring it out of the safe once a month for a wipedown and oogle session. Boring. YOUR revolver, YOUR choice. I'd prefer being out shooting it, then oogling over it after a session:)!
 
Boxes ARE worth $$

The general rule is the older the gun the more originality is important to value. The older the box that came with the gun, the more that increases value.
Buy a new gun and throw away the box then resell it: the box might have cost a few dollars in difference.
In contrast, a Colt SAA made in 1885 could be really worth TWICE as much with the original shipping box.
How much more would we pay if two identical triple locks were for sale, but one had the original 1907 box with it? LOTS.
 
Saw a Red Box sold on e-bay recently for $600 for the BOX ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re-read my post. I was referring to his 19-3 and pricing. With the wrong box, he paid $680, without the box he got just the gun for $550 a difference of $130. That box and accessories was not worth $130. Tells me it was overpriced originally.
 
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Re-read my post. I was referring to his 19-3 and pricing. With the wrong box, he paid $680, without the box he got just the gun for $550 a difference of $130. That box and accessories was not worth $130. Tells me it was overpriced originally.

But the gun with the ORIGINAL BOX was indeed "worth" $130 more (more or less).
Boxes are similar to grips. Original grips are worth more, and the older the gun the more $$ true. Proper grips, appropriate for the era, are not worth quite as much as originals but still add value and many of us seek the proper grips to put on our guns. Pachmyrs reduce the value considerably.

If one is just a shooter, then buy a 90% S&W with Goodyears and no box and enjoy. It will still increase in value as you carry and shoot it, but when it is time to resell please do not expect collector prices. Just the way it is.
 
true box story

A friend found an empty gun box in his shed (he lives in a historic house) and called me. I took the box and made a couple phone calls, then sent the pics out to an expert. One expert met my friend in Augusta Ga, looked at the box for a few minutes, then paid my friend $4000 in cash for it. The empty old box was a Colt factory box for a pair of 51 Navies and it was in superb condition.

Again, the older the box gets the more its worth. Moreso if it stays with the gun(s) though.
 
On the box schmox controversy, here's the way I see it. There were undoubtedly thousands, tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of blue S&W boxes made between 1966 and 1985. These are not Registered Magnum boxes from the 1930s, or old Triple Lock boxes from the 19th Century, and while many were undoubtedly destroyed or thrown out in the trash, huge numbers survived and will likely continue to survive for years to come due to the fact that collectors finally discovered that when with the original gun they have some value and meaning, whereas few people thought in those terms in the 1800s or first half of the 20th Century, thus those real old boxes are truly rare.

So the question in my mind becomes "why would anyone want a basic/generic 1966-1985 S&W box? Is it because the box is so very cool and wonderful? Or is it simply because the box, when connected with a matching gun, has greater value? Yeah, that's it. I also am being told that they make fake S&W boxes in China and sell them on eBay. Hmmmmm, pray tell what the purpose of buying such a box would be?

In my humble opinion, a 1980 S&W box which is not connected to the original gun is worse than worthless, it is a device of greed and deception. Who collects 1980 S&W boxes in their own right? That's what I thought. Nobody does. Their only purpose is to screw someone else out of their money. Stray gunless boxes of recent vintage deserve a trip to the incinerator IMHO.
 
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