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good googly moogly...i just left gunbrokers reloading section...primers..
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if you have not been there...the prices are shocking!!
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how far is this going to go??!!
 
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The prices are totally outrageous on Gunbroker. I don't blame the sellers, I blame the buyers for paying that much. In all the local shops around me I've seen prices no higher than $32 for 1000 primers. I actually bought 1K Remington Small Rifle primers lase week for $24.95. (older stock the dealer didn't mark up) The local Gander Mountain is higher but they are always higher. (those SOBs)
 
less than a year ago only 4 or 5 people sold primers on gunbroker now there are 9 pages of ads selling primers at elevated prices. I think it's these kinda people that bought all the primers up in very large quantities and has helped create the shortage. The love of money will make a man do crazy things.
 
Not sure of the accuracy of this info but....

I was at the range last night shooting competition. We have had a plethora of gun shows in the last few weeks, which is a good thing. One that caters to reloading had an interesting thing happen before the doors opened. Again, this is gun shop gossip so take it with a grain of salt.

It was stated that while folks were finishing setting up some dealers went from table to table and bought up all of the primers. Now, I didn't see many anyway. In fact it looked more like a garage sale than a gun show. Like most folks were down to their last few "left overs" for sale.

At any rate, I'm good for a while. Maybe years, we'll see. Maybe I should get in on the action on Gunbroker!
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I live in Eugene Oregon. We have not been able to buy primers here now for close to two months. I cannot get any small pistol or small pistol magnum primers at any price. Our local discount store sold them for $35.00 a thousand. But they are out and are the local "gun Shops." I will probably be forced to go to Gunbroker myself if I want to keep on shooting.
 
Bought 1000 win.small pistol primers, yesterday. $31.99. he had 3000, but would only sell me 1000, I wanted 2000.
 
The answer is to watch the online vendors, or place a backorder at one of the vendors that does that for primers. Powder Valley does, and from what I hear the wait is generally a month or less for primers, depending on the brand.

I recently got an in-stock notice from Midway on Winchester Large Rifle, of which I only needed 1000. Not wanting to pay hazmat on 1000 primers, I checked to see if they had any others in stock. I ended up with 4k of Winchester Small Pistol Magnum and 1k of Large Rifle for $170 including shipping and hazmat. $34/k is hardly a bargain, but since the one local shop that sells primers wants $50/k and I had them at my door three days after ordering, it was worth it to me.

From the Midway Primer Fairy

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The love of money will make a man do crazy things.

I can't see it as crazy to sell something I have to some one who is willing to pay the price. What I find crazy is people who panic buy and raise the price of a commodity to high levels and then complain that someone sold them something at a ridiculous price. Unless the seller can force the buyer to buy(Gov't "investing" your tax money again)then who is the "crazy one"?
 
I sold primers recently to an individual at the price I paid for them several years ago. Also sold an 8# container of IMR at the price I bought it for. I’m just not into free market gouging by individuals or dealers. It’s just not right and I refuse to lower myself to their level of behavior. Its my sincere hope that those individuals go to the devil.
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The primer supply here has been limited as well. Last year I was buying Winchester Large Pistol for $25.00/1,000. Six months ago they went up to $35.00/1,000 and there were hardly any available. At that time I started buying Wolf for $25.00/1,000. By January there were no Winchesters available at any price and the Wolf primers were up to $35.00/1,000. Yesterday I bought the last brick of Federal 100's for $35 and a brick of Wolf Small Pistol Magnums for $35.00. The kicker is that my dealer has called all of his suppliers and there are no primers available at any price!

Frank
 
One of the largest gun shops around here told us they were out of primers.

They were told they would be lucky if they got any primers at all by the end of June.
 
didn't anyone else see this coming even before the election when it was assured that the democraps were going to win? those who wait until the sky has fallen always pay more for things.been like that since forever. btw, don't expect primers to be much under $30/1000 when they do get to be available. will take at least 6 months after all the panic buying stops because everyone is now empty.
 
The question that occurs to me is whether the majority of the panic is related to people running out of components or ammo entirely or if the concern is over having less for hobby/recreation purposes.

If it's the second one,those who are most upset will have to learn to tighten their belts and make do with less.Shortages of one kind or another have happened all through history and this one should be no surprise to anyone.

Having said that,if it's the first,I can't imagine anyone being so unwise as to even almost run out of ammo or components entirely.

Except in the extreme circumstance of fire,flood,etc,I would never.....I repeat...NEVER allow that to happen with my ammo supply.

I will always keep a certain amount stashed away to be used only in the event of actual need and NEED does not include recreation.

Those who run out or even nearly run out of ammo might reconsider some of their priorities.
 
The question that occurs to me is whether the majority of the panic is related to people running out of components or ammo entirely or if the concern is over having less for hobby/recreation purposes.

There is one other situation, folks that had enough and STILL ran out and got more because they were so AFRAID they WOULD HAVE NONE, those are the folks that that have caused this shortage.

People that had no desire to participate in our hobby UNTIL they got scared they would wind up with nothing.

FWIW
 
Skip, I agree with your comment that the shortage is due to panic buying by folks who just woke up to the political realities post November. That said, and while I do not wear a tin foil hat, I do wonder if there are other forces at work here. I find it hard to believe that the shortages are somehow caused by the lefties but I am cynical enough to think the component manufacturers are going to milk this for all its worth and the prices up just like the gasoline refiners did.

I hope I am wrong.

Frank
 
frank, i think you are right. and rightly or wrongly, it is the american way is it not? usually have plenty of everything and totally unprepared for what could happen.
 
Originally posted by perrazi:
didn't anyone else see this coming even before the election when it was assured that the democraps were going to win? those who wait until the sky has fallen always pay more for things.been like that since forever. btw, don't expect primers to be much under $30/1000 when they do get to be available. will take at least 6 months after all the panic buying stops because everyone is now empty.

Yes, some of us did. I haven't bought primers for two years now.

But it is difficult for most people to plan ahead, so there you are.


Cat
 
My local reloading shop owner claims that most reloading components from the major players (Federal, Remington, Winchester) are basically overages from ammunition loading. Cases, bullets & primer components generally are leftovers or intentional overproduction from the primary line of business, ammunition manufacturing. This makes sense, since annual component sales couldn't really add up to real business relative to loaded ammunition.

We have major ATK (Federal/Alliant/etc) facilities locally and as supply as ebbed and flowed of Federal primers the guys who work those plants and shop at this store said that they were working 24/7 filling military contracts for small arms ammo components. At the time (2007) they said the military had put a big enough dent in their ammo stockpiles with Afghanistan and Iraq that they were buying in big enough quantities to keep the plants humming on those contracts alone, leaving civilian commercial to take the back seat, and civilian commercial components even farther back. .41 Mag bullets have always seemed a little seasonal.

It also seems that over the last few years (since at least 2007) that some components have been tricky to come by -- Federal primers being a big one, and its not hard to see panic buying as a result of the massive Democratic majority or the crashing economy driving the fairly inelastic components marketplace into real scarcity, especially if you buy the idea that loaded ammo gets done first and leftovers feed the component market.

I also wonder what effect the massive runup in commodities prices for metals like copper, lead and tin up to the "crash" of 2008 had on ammo/components availability. There's a lot of ways that could hamper current demand -- either getting stuck with long-term contracts that guaranteed what might have seemed like smart prices (eg, late 2007 price levels) and being stuck now with high priced raw materials. Or the opposite, only buying bare minimums and then being unable to meet short-term increases in demand.

The other explanation for what I think is the longer term shortage is the much higher demand for ammo by LEOs in a post-9/11 world. Pre-9/11 most cops carried shotguns in their squads, now many departments carry 5.56 rifles of some kind. Increased training and increased staffing of security-related positions (street cops, airport cops, Federal cops, private security, etc) has to also be driving demand, and probably a certain amount of hoarding as well.

I'm sure long-term reloaders have seen these shortages before and have learned accordingly. I've mostly learned, but am up short on some calibers I've fairly recently gotten into; no 147gr 9mm bullets, for example, but I have learned that 5000 is pretty much the minimum primer order.
 
Can't reload without primers, so I purchased 1000 SP, 1000 LP, and 1000 LR on GunBroker, all at inflated prices ! Don't forget....thumbtacks won't work ! BT
 
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