Problem with new M&P 2.0 EZ

[rwsmith]

The spring is metal......

Is there a stainless steel recoil spring and guide rod for this pistol? Bought mine today. OE appears to be plastic.

...but the guide rod appears to be plastic. Next time I break it down I'll look closely.

 

[rwsmith]

Update: Range test....

Just got back from the range. Shot all kinds of ammo through the 9mm EZ. Not a single hitch. It looks like the slight mod I made on the mags were well worth it. I now deem it a good, reliable gun and a good shooter. My wife did well with it, too.

It still puzzles me why S&W would include mags with an obvious defect. The fix is simple.

 

[Paul in Nevada]

What did you do? Sand the followers?

 

[rwsmith]

No, see in the picture.....

What did you do? Sand the followers?

You can see in the picture where I sanded the FRONT of the magazine that the cartridge has to pass over to get to the feed ramp. One is sanded and one is not. Afterward I sanded both down and they work great. I disassembled the mag to I wouldn't touch anything except the part that needed removal.

The pics are in post #9.

 

[Tom S.]

I took the liberty of enhancing rwsmith's picture:

 

[Paul in Nevada]

Ah, interesting. I had been convinced that the malfunction happens as the slide travels backwards. I am not sure how this modification would fix that but if it works, it works. If you can fine tune the amount of material that needs to be removed, you could construct a file guide to get clean, consistent cuts.

 

[Tom S.]

Ah, interesting. I had been convinced that the malfunction happens as the slide travels backwards. I am not sure how this modification would fix that but if it works, it works. If you can fine tune the amount of material that needs to be removed, you could construct a file guide to get clean, consistent cuts.

rwsmith indicated the cases seemed to be hanging up on the case mouth. My first thought would be to create a 45 degree chamfer on the front, inside edge of the magazine body.

 

[rwsmith]

I tried taking off a little.......

rwsmith indicated the cases seemed to be hanging up on the case mouth. My first thought would be to create a 45 degree chamfer on the front, inside edge of the magazine body.

I tried taking off a little at a time so as not to 'overdo' it. I put the mag back together and tried it as I went. I most certainly didn't not want to remove more material than necessary. Anyway, the finished job is where the tendency to hang up ceased. It was a lot more than I anticipated. At first I was just going to file a small bevel crescent in the middle, but that didn't help as the cartridges would 'find' a place to hang up on slightly to the right or left. Anyway, the amount removed is surprising large, but they designed the mag where that front portion is right in the way of feeding cartridges. Did they change suppliers at some point?????

 

[rwsmith]

No, it's the same as when you unload....

Ah, interesting. I had been convinced that the malfunction happens as the slide travels backwards. I am not sure how this modification would fix that but if it works, it works. If you can fine tune the amount of material that needs to be removed, you could construct a file guide to get clean, consistent cuts.

...the mag with your thumb by pushing out the cartridges from behind, just like the slide picking up a cartridge in its forward travel. Most often the cartridge would just stop when it got hung up (see picture trying to push out with my thumb. You can push it HARD and it won't budge) but if you managed to get it loose by wiggling or depressing it some, it would either pop out vertically and uncontrollably or even stovepipe between the feed lips and be a real bear to get out. Neither of these actions are conducive to getting a smooth feed up the ramp. It did this with all four ammo types I tried.

 

[rwsmith]

Thank you....

I took the liberty of enhancing rwsmith's picture:

Thank you very much.

PS: I DID see another post that sounded like the same problem so I directed them here. The thing is the way they have mag designed it WILL NOT WORK RIGHT. They MUST have changed mag suppliers somewhere along the way.

 

[rwsmith]

After I took them apart....

You could use the sand paper to soften the sharp edge of your feed lips on your mags too but since you assumed I might be wrong about mag spring might be in backwards But if you do not check , shame on you . Mean time keep up with the entertainment!

....and put them back together about 20 times I got quite good at it. The little wings that help you hold down the mag springs while loading are handy but tricky to remove and install unless you pay attention to how the slots in mag line up.

 

[rwsmith]

Old thread, but asking for any new input???

This thread went through a LOT of (great) discussion and ideas but I wonder if anybody else has any experience with this. I got my wife a .380 EZ and it worked fine out of the box. There was one thread where the owner didn't have the problem that I did.

Also, I THINK that the ramp on the 9mm EZ is supposed to lift the nose of the cartridge as it clears the lips of the magazine, but the mouth of the case was catching and didn't allow this to happen. I'm wonder if RN ammo would work better, but I can't try it now and I don't want to use RN ammo for SD anyway.

 

[gc70]

This thread went through a LOT of (great) discussion and ideas but I wonder if anybody else has any experience with this.

I bought a 9mm EZ shortly after they were introduced, kept it for two years, and sold it about two years ago. I never had a problem with the 9mm feeding ammo from the magazine. OTOH, my wife's 380EZ was a nightmare with feeding problems that took three years to resolve (the barrel was replaced).

 

[hardluk1]

But the mags acted the same way outside the gun as they did in the gun. You should be able to unload a mag with your thumb easily but these really got stuck on the mag. You could push HARD and they wouldn't come out unless you depressed them or wiggled them some and then they would pop out uncontrollably or stand up and be difficult to remove. Maybe there's something wrong with the gun, but the mags definitely ain't right. I'll try them this week and see if the problem isn't deeper.

I have a number of mags for different handguns and the only way to unload them reliably is to push them out with the eraser end of a pencil at least until I get it partly unloaded !

Last - Send the whole pistol back to s&w and tell them to shooting them self then fix oe replace it ?

If you have a good shooting buddy how about asking them to check this EZ out and test it with ammo of his choice and just pay for the ammo used . Some time new eyes and head might find the problem .

 

[WR Moore]

Could be that a new stamping die for the mag body metal is slightly off. Or, looking at my 1.0 mags, the formed angle of the feed lips is off a bit. Again, a die issue, this time with the lip forming die.

When the 1.0 came out, after a bit there was a redesigned mag follower to correct some problem I never experienced with the original follower.

 

[rwsmith]

I have an original Shield...

Could be that a new stamping die for the mag body metal is slightly off. Or, looking at my 1.0 mags, the formed angle of the feed lips is off a bit. Again, a die issue, this time with the lip forming die.

When the 1.0 came out, after a bit there was a redesigned mag follower to correct some problem I never experienced with the original follower.

...and I never had a lick of trouble with it. And I didn't have any problems with the .380 EZ. It's just weird.

 

[rwsmith]

I think i may........

I have a number of mags for different handguns and the only way to unload them reliably is to push them out with the eraser end of a pencil at least until I get it partly unloaded !

Last - Send the whole pistol back to s&w and tell them to shooting them self then fix oe replace it ?

If you have a good shooting buddy how about asking them to check this EZ out and test it with ammo of his choice and just pay for the ammo used . Some time new eyes and head might find the problem .

... get an original mag and revisit this. It doesn't make sense that I would be one of only a few people to have trouble. UNLESS the problem was is actually with the barrel and not the mags. Except the mags didn't feed even when not in the gun.

 

[steved57]

I have an M&P 2.0 9mm ez and it shoots / runs both mags with no problems