32flyingk9
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When I carried the 645/4506/4006, the safety/decocker was always in the up position. I can still hear the instructors saying, "If it ain't up, you can't get it on".
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That's true for a lot of things in life.. LOL
Decipher
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You can't train away a piss poor design. I'm perfectly fine carrying without the safety. Had S&W offered the non-safety version when I purchased mine, I would have gone that route. There's a reason they made a version without a safety. All the pros tell you not to bother with it, so why throw anything between you and the application of your weapon. It's not a training issue. Trust me. It's a poor and unnecessary thing on the Shield.
Sailor29
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Trust you? You've only had the gun for a couple of weeks and then you say you "extensively trained" with it. Then you come out with the 60% failure to disengage the safety conclusion. That's why I came out with the "train some more" statement.
JAMMAN
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After reading this thread I puled my gun and didn't find a safety. Wait that was a taser.
I'm still on the fence on the safety issue. I bought my 9C without one. I do believe with the right muscle memory you wouldn't have a problem disengaging a safety on draw. A little easier on a C or a FS than a shield due to that little nub they have, I don't own a shield but I have fondled one and witnessed the safety.
During shooting a 9C at the range before purchasing mine I accidentally engaged the safety between shots but that was just n00b related. It was what made the decision to purchase without a safety.
Still on the fence.
I'm still on the fence on the safety issue. I bought my 9C without one. I do believe with the right muscle memory you wouldn't have a problem disengaging a safety on draw. A little easier on a C or a FS than a shield due to that little nub they have, I don't own a shield but I have fondled one and witnessed the safety.
During shooting a 9C at the range before purchasing mine I accidentally engaged the safety between shots but that was just n00b related. It was what made the decision to purchase without a safety.
Still on the fence.
Safeties? 
We don't need no stinkin' safeties! 
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A safety doesn't make a firearm any safer in my opinion. How many times have you accidentally pulled the trigger on a gun where you thought to yourself 'good thing I had my safety on'. Treat all guns with respect regardless of the circumstance. That being said, safeties do have their place in certain situations for certain firearms. Mine does not tho.
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For a carry gun.....
I prefer double action just as if it were a revolver. If the time comes I don't want to fiddle with anything, just point, shoot and take great pictures.
I prefer double action just as if it were a revolver. If the time comes I don't want to fiddle with anything, just point, shoot and take great pictures.
You won't get a second chance to worry about it.
mustangman
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I train so it becomes automatic, no remembering, or thinking required.
Decipher
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You have me confused with the original poster. I've been EDC my Shield for over a year and half and have more rounds through mine than most.
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The Shield has a safety, at least two in fact.
The two-part trigger has a latch which is designed to keep the trigger from moving rearward by inertia if the gun is dropped. It is released when you apply pressure with your finger.
The striker is positively blocked until the trigger is pulled a short distance. It can't be knocked off the sear if the pistol is dropped.
The Shield is available with an optional thumb safety, which locks the sear in engagement with the striker.
Of course anything that pulls the trigger, like a shirttail caught in the trigger guard when holstering, will make it go bang. That's what the optional thumb safety is intended to prevent. Using a thumb safety is part of the manual of arms. Anybody with a 1911 is familiar with this drill. It becomes muscle memory within a few minutes of practice.
The two-part trigger has a latch which is designed to keep the trigger from moving rearward by inertia if the gun is dropped. It is released when you apply pressure with your finger.
The striker is positively blocked until the trigger is pulled a short distance. It can't be knocked off the sear if the pistol is dropped.
The Shield is available with an optional thumb safety, which locks the sear in engagement with the striker.
Of course anything that pulls the trigger, like a shirttail caught in the trigger guard when holstering, will make it go bang. That's what the optional thumb safety is intended to prevent. Using a thumb safety is part of the manual of arms. Anybody with a 1911 is familiar with this drill. It becomes muscle memory within a few minutes of practice.
Ranger17
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my first "non-.22" that i've owned and shot (my 9c) does not have a safety. And the full size 9 i just bought also does not have one. I am fine with that at home and at the range.
While i do have a permit to carry i have yet to do so (wont until i'm "Ready"). Not sure if i'd carry the compact i already own, or pick up something like a Shield for that purpose. I will admit if i go that route, i may be interested in one with the safety to give me the option should I want one.
I see both sides of the discussion, and both can have for me anyway legit pros or cons. Guess for me to carry, it requires a mix of training, experience, and being comfortable & responsible with what one owns and uses. I sure don't fault another for their choice.
While i do have a permit to carry i have yet to do so (wont until i'm "Ready"). Not sure if i'd carry the compact i already own, or pick up something like a Shield for that purpose. I will admit if i go that route, i may be interested in one with the safety to give me the option should I want one.
I see both sides of the discussion, and both can have for me anyway legit pros or cons. Guess for me to carry, it requires a mix of training, experience, and being comfortable & responsible with what one owns and uses. I sure don't fault another for their choice.
Rick_A
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Not the best method, but worked for the missus and I for years.
ZionZR2
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The safety is in the same place with all weapons....Between The Ears!
not with the thumbs
not with the thumbs
Decipher
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Well said.
Listen, can you hear it?
I hear begging...
"Close me, close me"
Why , you did not have to click on it.
I like reading peoples opinions, I can see the merits for both.
On the one hand you have the reason for carrying a weapon & on the other you have the responsibility of keeping that weapon safe.
Deadeye Dick
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A suppressor offers better protection.
ironhead7544
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I have used a Glock for many years with no problem.
For civilians I can see where you might want a safety in some situations. If you constantly have to remove your firearm and stow it, say in a glove box, it might be a consideration. I try to avoid these situations but sometimes you cant. I solved this problem by using a quick detachable Kydex holster and just leaving the pistol enclosed. The holster completely encloses the trigger guard on the model I use. Really, any serious use holster should.
Most accidents happen when handling the pistol/revolver during loading/unloading and holstering/unholstering. With my IWB holsters, I have taken to putting the gun in the holster first and then adding it to the belt.
For civilians I can see where you might want a safety in some situations. If you constantly have to remove your firearm and stow it, say in a glove box, it might be a consideration. I try to avoid these situations but sometimes you cant. I solved this problem by using a quick detachable Kydex holster and just leaving the pistol enclosed. The holster completely encloses the trigger guard on the model I use. Really, any serious use holster should.
Most accidents happen when handling the pistol/revolver during loading/unloading and holstering/unholstering. With my IWB holsters, I have taken to putting the gun in the holster first and then adding it to the belt.
Ranger514
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Iffn yuz carries a DAO, yuz don't gotts ta wurry bout no safeties.
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