Question about fixed mags.

[J Rich]

I was wondering about the fixed 10 round mags. I know they say fix non removable. Can the fixed mag be removed and the rifle be converted to accept the standard 30 round mags? If so what does it take to do this? I do not live in a "compliant state". The reason for this question is the "non-compliant" rifle is $200 cheaper. So, I could use the extra $ for more accessories as long as a conversion isn't costly.

Is this even legal to modify a"compliant" rifle?

 

[BHarada]

Which compliant model are you referring to? CA-compliant models have a bullet button which requires a tool (bullet tip or other small item) to release the magazine.

Other state compliant models have the telescoping stock pinned and/or the flash hider welded/pinned.

None have a magazine permanently affixed to the rifle.

There are 10-round mags as well as hi-cap mags that are pinned/blocked to limit their capacity to 10 or 15 rounds to meet local capacity restrictions. If you live in a non-restricted state you would not need to concern yourself with these.

 

[KeithR]

I live in Minnesota but got a CA compliant Sport through GunBrokers. The first thing I did was replace the bullet button and buy 30 rd magazines. No problems.

 

[BHarada]

Like Keith says, the bullet button can easily be replaced with a standard mag release. But if the non-compliant model is cheaper then buy it that since it will be a standard AR 15 with non of the asinine regulatory BS mods on it.

 

[storeyteller]

I'm confused...

 

[Plinker1962]

Like Keith says, the bullet button can easily be replaced with a standard mag release. But if the non-compliant model is cheaper then buy it that since it will be a standard AR 15 with non of the asinine regulatory BS mods on it.

And those BS mods are still undesirable to a SF based CA senator who is proposing SB 249 which will only make owning an AR in CA almost impossible if his bill passes.

 

[oneyeopn]

I am confused also, so to load the rifle you would have to unpin the takedown pin and then load the mag from the top. Someone on here posted a rifle in CA with some kind of grip cover that made it not a pistol grip and that way he could get away with the bullet button, he showed it with 30 round mags. According to my discussions with Bill 30's are illegal in CA, and a fixed mag would be like my Mausers with the box mag built into the stock.

 

[BHarada]

Grover, before the bullet button was invented there were ARs being sold in CA with magazines either pinned or welded onto the lower. For those the only way to load them was to pull the rear takedown pin and insert rounds into the lower.

If the honorable Senator Lee has his way I'll be shooing a bolt action in a year.

 

[J Rich]

Ok it's a M&P 15T it says CA-compliant with bullet button, and six position stock.

Ok never mind I finally found how to do it. Looks like all I need to do is get a new mag release spring and button. Looks like you could save $200 buying the compliant model.

 

[oneyeopn]

WOW...I didnt know that, my word that is pretty seriously messed up stuff. So I wonder how cheap those rifles are selling for or if they could be converted to the bullet button? Bill I thought you were on vacation?

 

[J Rich]

My LGS has the standard 30 round M&P 15T for $950. The CA-compliant M&P 15T 10 round fixed mag for $740.


I'm a cheap skate and like getting the most for my money. The extra $200 can go toward mags , ammo, and other goodies.

 

[BHarada]

WOW...I didnt know that, my word that is pretty seriously messed up stuff. So I wonder how cheap those rifles are selling for or if they could be converted to the bullet button? Bill I thought you were on vacation?

My guess is that compliant models are the only ones available and nobody wants to buy them so the price drops.

Grover, I am on vacation but Disneyland is 90% waiting in line so thus kills the time. Haha

 

[KeithR]

Check GunBrokers.com or any number of online sources. They usually have the sport listed a lot and you should be able to get one for under $700 shipped to any local FFL.

 

[J Rich]

I don't want the sport because I want the free float, flip up sights, and dust cover. It would be tough to get all that on the sport for the same price. Plus I rather give my money to my LGS vs. someone across the country or a big box store. Thanks though.

 

[oneyeopn]

I don't want the sport because I want the free float, flip up sights, and dust cover. It would be tough to get all that on the sport for the same price. Plus I rather give my money to my LGS vs. someone across the country or a big box store. Thanks though.

I understand, by the time I got my Sport to where you are wanting yours to be, I had over $800 in it. Good luck sounds like you have a plan, plus I have read where some people have contacted Smith and they have received the non-compliant parts either free or super cheap.

 

[J Rich]

I understand, by the time I got my Sport to where you are wanting yours to be, I had over $800 in it. Good luck sounds like you have a plan, plus I have read where some people have contacted Smith and they have received the non-compliant parts either free or super cheap.

I could contact S&W and see what they will do. I think all the parts are about $10 from Brownells, but I'd rather have S&W parts.

 

[plouffedaddy]

Gents,

I have the same question as the OP. I have a chance to get the following model:
Product: Model M&P15T - 10 Round, Fixed Magazine & Bullet Button®

for $720 OTD but I want to ensure I can take that mag out. I've removed that stupid bullet button before so no issue there but how to I get that mag out? Will it come out when I take the bullet button out? Thanks.

 

[J Rich]

According to what I've found when you push the bullet button the mag will fall out. It doesn't push like a normal mag release it has a hole in the center you have to push it with a pen or something. I guess it's made like that so it takes a minute to reload.

 

[BHarada]

The bullet button was invented to work around bad CA law. But the politicos have discovered our technical loop hole are are hell bent on closing it...to the point of classifying as illegal all bullet buttoned AR purchased over the past 10 years.

Sucks to be a gun enthusiast in CA.

 

[flyer91]

Yup, Yee is trying to push it through right now.

If it does pass we would have to pin the mag in the well, and open up the weapon to load it from the top.
As I understand it there are some other mods that would make the mag a part that needed tools to remove that are in compliance with Lee's bill.
I don't know what that would be because his bill specifies the action must be disassembled with tools, and specifically 'not' be a bullet button type of device, to get the magazine out.
But if the mag could be loaded while in the weapon, I assume that would meet his bills requirements as I read it.

As far as it is now, all Ca. version ARs must have a mag that can only be removed with a tool.
Enter the bullet button ....... that is basically a smaller button recessed inside the mag release button, that requires you to use a bullet (or other tool) to get at it in order to release the mag.
If you live in a state that recognizes you to be a free man, you can either just buy a standard mag release button from many different shops, use a bullet/skinny tool to release the mag, or you can get other devices like the magnetic bullet button cover or a Raddlock device.

But ........ if you come into California, you need to be in compliance with whatever whack friggen law that the lawmakers (voted into office by city sheep) say you must have, or we might have to process you through one of our local cop shops ......... and then let you go with a ticket.
We can't actually put anyone non-violent in jail here.
Unless you actually shoot one of us with your AR it's in the front door and out the back ..... because our jails are chock to the brim full of outlaws .......... gee, imagine that!!