Actually, the Federal 357s from the '70s and '80s was called (depending on it's vintage) both "Hi Power" and "Hi-Shok". Some Federal 357B came in red & white boxes. Later boxes were labeled "Hi Power", some weren't. The "Hi-Shok" came in silver boxes. None of the 357B loads were Hydrashock, just simple cup and core hollopoints loaded to 1400+ ft/sec from a 4" revolver. Talk about a loud report and bright flame if fired at dusk/night! Only Federal's 180 gr JHP 44 Maggie's were brighter!
question about legacy 357 magnum ammo
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Yep, Federal's Hi Shok was a basic hollow point, in that it had a hollow cavity in the nose of the bullet and nothing else. Hydra Shok came later and those bullets had a lead post in the center of the hollow cavity.
Model19man
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No idea I did a Google search for the OP's version and I came up short. Your version makes sense!
elpac3
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Starting on the street back in the very early 70’s, many of the guys were carrying the Winchester 158 grainers. As noted, these were a lead bullet with a goldfish color that would lead up a revolver in six rounds.
We made the switch to super vel ammo, specifically the 137 grain load. Preformed well and had the ability to penetrate windshield and car doors.
Other departments went with the 110 grain hollow points but these showed penetration issues and tended to be a rather fragile round. Ultimately most agencies moved to the 125 grain HP.
We made the switch to super vel ammo, specifically the 137 grain load. Preformed well and had the ability to penetrate windshield and car doors.
Other departments went with the 110 grain hollow points but these showed penetration issues and tended to be a rather fragile round. Ultimately most agencies moved to the 125 grain HP.
Federal doesn't currently list the 357B, not even in a 20 round box (they used to have them packaged like that a few years back).
But....they do list their TP357VHP1 in their Train & Protect line. This is virtually identical to the 357B, less the nickeled case. Ballistics and bullet construction look identical to the old 357B. They come in 50 round boxes and seem to list for less that most of the "premium" loads.
But....they do list their TP357VHP1 in their Train & Protect line. This is virtually identical to the 357B, less the nickeled case. Ballistics and bullet construction look identical to the old 357B. They come in 50 round boxes and seem to list for less that most of the "premium" loads.
Couple of notes here. I was able to get a stock of the Rem 125 gr SJHP bullets for handloading. I discovered that you could back the loads down to ~1250 f/s and still get the terminal delivery with a lot less fuss.
Also, the Silvertip that "didn't go deep enough" in Miami severed the brachial artery. The recipient was a dead man walking, but he wasn't stopped.
Also, the Silvertip that "didn't go deep enough" in Miami severed the brachial artery. The recipient was a dead man walking, but he wasn't stopped.
Thanks a lot for the further information guys.
And yeah with high shok I mean the classic 125 grain jhp rounds and not the hydra shok that were released later.. But the question was already answered by some other posters that know way more about the stuff than I do.
The federal Train und Protect Line looks interesting btw. I will check out if they are avaialble here in Austria.
I still think that the easiest way to some of the classic loads would be the remington route.
Is there a difference between the remington http line and the umc line?
They seem to offer similar loads in 357 mag at different price points..
And yeah with high shok I mean the classic 125 grain jhp rounds and not the hydra shok that were released later.. But the question was already answered by some other posters that know way more about the stuff than I do.
The federal Train und Protect Line looks interesting btw. I will check out if they are avaialble here in Austria.
I still think that the easiest way to some of the classic loads would be the remington route.
Is there a difference between the remington http line and the umc line?
They seem to offer similar loads in 357 mag at different price points..
SWFan27
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The Remington HTP and UMC are the same. The only difference is the casing, and that really makes no difference at all. That is except for Remington charging twice as much for HTP. UMC is brass and HTP is nickel plated. The only problem I have ever had with a Remington load was a high primer with one of their HTP 38+P rounds.
Very interesting results....
...on the Lucky Gunner website for .357. Several Speer Gold Dots fail to expand and overpenetrate like crazy. I saw an article once that tested bullets out of pistol caliber carbines that tended not to expand, seemingly due to higher velocity than the bullets were designed for. I wonder if that happens in a .357 pistol. So I use SWCs in my PCCs.
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...on the Lucky Gunner website for .357. Several Speer Gold Dots fail to expand and overpenetrate like crazy. I saw an article once that tested bullets out of pistol caliber carbines that tended not to expand, seemingly due to higher velocity than the bullets were designed for. I wonder if that happens in a .357 pistol. So I use SWCs in my PCCs.
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I could test some fioochi 125 grain rounds at the range in the meantime. It was a interesting experience and for target/fun shooting it should be nice ammo if you want to spend the cash for it.
While I do not doubt the power of that round I have to admit that my initial gut feeling and was right and for home defense I will keep my revolver loaded with the good old 158 Grain Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point from ppu or remington.
While I do not doubt the power of that round I have to admit that my initial gut feeling and was right and for home defense I will keep my revolver loaded with the good old 158 Grain Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point from ppu or remington.
Our last NMSP 357 issue starting about '91 was the Win Silvertip 145 grain JHP; by then the great switchover to first 9mm for a couple of years, the to 45 ACP when 9mm didn't get the job done. There weren't many shootings with the 357 Silvertip, but there were no complaints in the few there were.
Doug M.
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One of the podcasts I recently saw with Nyeti referred very positively to the 145 grain Silvertip, and had a nice description of why the 125 grain rounds seems so effective.
BTW, the original HydraShok was made by a solo business man in upstate NY (Watkins Glen comes to mind). My hometown department carried those; it was, IIRC more or less a reversed wadcutter with a big hollow point and the post. He sold the rights but still had some staggering number of completed rounds that he could still sell according to the agreement.
BTW, the original HydraShok was made by a solo business man in upstate NY (Watkins Glen comes to mind). My hometown department carried those; it was, IIRC more or less a reversed wadcutter with a big hollow point and the post. He sold the rights but still had some staggering number of completed rounds that he could still sell according to the agreement.
Corbon has a 1400 fps 125grJHP listed from a 4" test barrel. This stuff is probably not available in Austria, and is pretty salty in price
